Episode 252: The Kinks: 1964 - 1969



Episode 252: The Kinks: 1964 - 1969
Pat is joined by friend and "Kinks Super Fan" Mario del Barrio to discuss the band's 1964 - 1969 discography. Kyle produces and does a nice Trump impression.
From May 12, 2016

With your host:

Pat Francis


00:00:00 Pat and Kyle welcome us to the show. Joining the Dodson Duo today in the co-host's seat is one of the hosts of the Superiority Complex podcast, Mario del Barrio. Yes, it rhymes. No, it's not his actual name. But it would be pretty fun if it was. Pat and Mario are friends, Mario listens to the show. They got together over their shared love of The Kinks and went to a Ray Davies show. Naturally they got stuff signed.
00:05:00 Then most recently Pat and Mario saw Dave Davies solo and Pat got his album signed at the stage, all the while Mario got stuck behind in the crowd. Pat just whisked away out of sight like Jason Bourne. Fun story: Mario is a big Star Wars fan and they found out the next day that Mark Hamill was actually at the show. Kyle saw Mark pump gas about a year ago, so he's got that going for him. Pat and Mario also went to a documentary screening about a guy trying to reunite The Kinks called Do It Again, where they saw The Kinks' first producer.
00:10:00 More adventures with Pat and Mario: They went to a Dodger game with Star of Stage and Screen Jimmy Pardo and former Rock Solid guest and money man Chip Chinnery. Mario is Pardo-approved. "He gets it." I've only heard him for ten minutes and I can say the same. Mario is here, if you haven't figured it out, to talk with Pat about The Kinks. And like The Rolling Stones episode a few weeks earlier with Mike, this episode will focus on their 60s output. Mario ranks The Kinks at the top of his list of Beatles-Rolling Stones-Kinks-Who. The reason is he felt like The Beatles were overplayed, the Stones sound a bit too same-y with their output, The Who are hard rock, and The Kinks cover all bases.
00:15:00 Also, The Kinks are a bit more eclectic, so if you meet someone who knows more than the basic hits ("You Really Got Me," "All Day and All of the Night," "Lola," etc.) it feels special. Pat describes Ray and The Kinks as the most specifically British of the four big bands. All these character studies of different aspects of British life. Ray also writes and produces pretty much all of The Kinks' original output. Mario says The Kinks weren't the best musicians, but they could play to their strengths. Ray was the writer, Dave brought the rock and roll to it. Pat and Mario started out with an episode devoted to all of The Kinks' stuff, then they realized there is waaaaaaaaaaay too much to cover in one episode, so they decided to stick to the 60s. The 60s lineup of The Kinks is as follows:
  • Ray Davies -- lead vocals, rhythm guitar, keyboards
  • Dave Davies -- lead guitar, lead & backing vocals
  • Mick Avory -- drums
  • Pete Quaife -- bass, backing vocals
  • John Dalton -- bass, backing vocals (fills in for Pete Quaife in 1966, replaces him in 1969)
00:20:00 The boys are going to go in chronological order, sort of. Mario starts us off and he wants to put The Kinks into context. Every band at the time wanted to cash in on The Beatles, while The Beatles wanted to be like Carl Perkins and Chuck Berry. Mario's first song is The Kinks' first single, their version of "Long Tall Sally" by Little Richard which can be found on a deluxe edition of their first album Kinks. Very early-Beatles sounding, although Mario thinks it was the record company's behest.
Pat's first song is also from their debut album Kinks. The song is "Just Can't Go to Sleep". All of Pat's songs are in Mono because he got them from a Mono boxset. Mario: "Was that the boxset you got from kissing too much?" Stone cold silence from Pat and Kyle. Woof.
Mario's next track is the big hit "All Day and All of the Night" off the US album Kinks-Size.
00:25:00 That song was before "Satisfaction." It was before Sgt. Pepper's. It was before "My Generation." No one was rocking like that. Mario explains it as a song that you give someone who's never heard rock and roll before to show them what it's like. Pat is such a Kinks nerd that when he went to England with his wife Pilar, he went on his own Kinks tour, seeing Ray & Dave's childhood home, Konk Studios (or at least the outside of it) and the pub where The Kinks first played. His next pick is again off the debut album, a song called "Stop Your Sobbing".
00:30:00 The next song for Mario is "Set Me Free", found on the deluxe edition of their second album Kinda Kinks. Then he follows this up with the B-side, "I Need You", also found on that deluxe edition.
The next song for Pat can be found on Kinks-Size called "I Gotta Move". Pat and Mario are a little frustrated that The Kinks are not more well-known. I know the feeling: I've been championing 90s-era Yes for years. YEARS!
00:35:00 Up next for Mario is a song for the impatient soul in all of us: "Tired of Waiting for You" off of Kinda Kinks. Due to circumstances beyond all our control, Pat's Donald Trump impression goes back to back with Paul Stanley impression. Wouldn't you know it, Paul is a big fan of The Kinks... especially ones that begin with the letter "S." It's a whole big barrel of lovable NONSENSE.
Thankfully, Pat has enough self-control to move on to his next pick: Off of Kinda Kinks, it's the long song title "Nothin' in the World Can Stop Me Worryin' 'Bout That Girl".
00:40:00 Mario's next song is a B-side and can be found on the deluxe edition of The Kink Kontroversy. The song is called "Sittin' on My Sofa".
Pat stays on Kinda Kinks and plays "Come On Now". Pat mentions a fun fact about the first Kinks album: Jimmy Page and Jon Lord do some session work on it. Rumor had it that Jimmy did the solo for "You Really Got Me," but those rumors are bunk.
Mario now plays "Dedicated Follower of Fashion", the A-side to "Sittin' on My Sofa" and also found on the deluxe edition of The Kink Kontroversy. That song was when the worm turned and The Kinks started branching out with their musical stylings and inspirations. It's also about Dave, according to Mario.
00:45:00 One last song from Kinda Kinks for Pat, a song called "You Shouldn't Be Sad".
Mario goes for a deep cut on The Kink Kontroversy called "I'm on an Island". "Did he write a song every day?!" Pat wonders about Ray.
Another song from The Kink Kontroversy. Pat plays the song "Till the End of the Day".
00:50:00 Everything that was played so far was recorded in the span of one year. ONE! Bands nowadays couldn't even fathom that kind of output. Pat adds to the pile with two more from The Kink Kontroversy. The first is "When I See That Girl of Mine". The second is "Where Have All the Good Times Gone". When Van Halen covered the latter, it showed off a real fandom. Pat feels like Roth is The Kinks fan; Eddie, after all, has never listened to other's people music... ever. Mario has never seen The Kinks live. Pat saw them in 1993 on the Phobia tour in a half-packed venue with a comedian opening for them. Pat not only names him--Ken Savara--but he calls him a horrible comedian. AND THEN KYLE PLAYS A BRIEF SNIPPET OF HIS ACT ON YOUTUBE! Oh my goodness. "There he is," says Kyle. "The famous Kinks opener, Ken Savara."
00:55:00 Mario hastily moves us along to Face to Face, the first real Kinks classic according to the two hosts. He plays "Sunny Afternoon". The album only went to 135 in the US. Pat is so angry he goes right back to his Trump impression. I'm telling you, it's yuge.
Pat's first song from Face to Face is called "Party Line".
Mario's next pick is found on the deluxe edition of Face to Face. It's a song called "Big Black Smoke". The song is about London, not the Smoke Monster from Lost.
01:00:00 We get some very timely Lost discussion (Kyle has some rather strong words) before Pat plays "Rosie Won't You Please Come Home" from Face to Face. Pat is a big fan of London. He fantasizes about growing up in London in the 60s like Ray and Dave did and can't wait to go back. He then plays another track from the album, "I'll Remember".
01:05:00 Do you ever wonder how to transition to something that is just plain silly and out-of-place? This is me right now. I somehow how to transition into Pat and Kyle impersonating Donald Trump punching paintings and talking about the Star Trek episode "Amok Time." Magnum P.I. The Take Five candy bar. Ferraris. I can't even. I just can't even. Mario mercifully plays his next song, "Act Nice and Gentle", found on the deluxe edition of Something Else by The Kinks.
01:10:00 Something Else was the last album produced by Shel Telvy, the original Kinks producer. From there on out, it's Ray. Pat plays quite possibly his favorite Kinks song ever and one of his top five songs of all time: "Waterloo Sunset". Pat and Mario wonder how that isn't right up there with The Beatles' stuff. They just love it so much.
01:15:00 Up next for Mario is off Something Else, a song about a man named "David Watts".
Pat follows this up with a song with Dave on lead vocals (and written by him as well), "Love Me till the Sun Shines". Pat doesn't mind Dave on vocals. Neither does Mario, though he is aware that people don't like him. Mario then makes a joke about seeing Dave Davies live post-stroke. "I mean, you don't want him walking out there with a...." Five seconds of silence, followed by titters from Pat. Ya see, Dave had a stroke, but also stroking is a euphemism for masturbation. So.... yeah.
I'm just gonna move us right along and say that Mario's next pick is "Polly", found on the deluxe edition of Something Else.
01:20:00 Pat plays a song called "Days", which is a single and bonus track from The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society. Pat and Mario both want this song played at their funerals. "Suicide pact, if Trump gets elected," suggests Mario. "I'll use Obamacare to buy a cyanide tooth," offers Kyle. Sounds like a plan. Pat then plays the B-side to "Days" called "She's Got Everything". Pat and Mario give love to Dave Davies for being an underrated guitarist.
01:25:00 Village Green Preservation Society is another album that Pat shouts from the rooftops deserves more love. Unfortunately it was released the same day as The Beatles' White Album. But Pat isn't having any of The Fab Four's psychedelic nonsense and neither is Kyle.
"If I wanted to hear '#9' over and over again, I'd go wait at the deli."
- Kyle, with the line of the episode

Pat plays the song "Picture Book". The song was used in a Hewlett Packard commercial. By the time the album came out, Ray Davies was 24!
Mario's first pick from the album is simply called "Village Green".
01:30:00 Pat's next pick from VGPS is called "Starstruck". More Trump: Now everyone has the same password for everything. It's "Trump." FOR GOD'S SAKE, STOP IT!!!!!!
Mario plays "Big Sky". Meanwhile Kyle is texting his lady friend. Probably about how great The Kinks are.
01:35:00 Pat jumps back to Face to Face with a song called "Session Man". And then he plays another track off the album called "Dandy". Oh, what a lark!
Mario stays on the pastoral route and plays "Autumn Almanac", found on the deluxe edition of Something Else by The Kinks.
We're just jumping all around. Pat plays the title track, "The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society" off of, well, The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society.
We move on to the final album of the 60s, Arthur (Or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire). It was originally supposed to be the soundtrack to a TV show about the history of England--from the Victorian era through World War II and into the 60s--as seen through the eyes of a working class guy named Arthur.
01:40:00 Mario plays the lead-off track, his favorite song of all time, "Victoria".
Pat's favorite song from Arthur is called "Some Mother's Son".
Up next for Mario off of Arthur is a song called "Brainwashed".
01:45:00 Pat can't wait to do the 70s show. The Kinks released 11 albums during the decade. Of course now is the time for Pat to bust out his Springsteen impression. His favorite movie is The Taking Pelham of 123. Sorry, The Taking of Pelham 1! 2! 3! And more Trump. At this point, it's all just white noise.
01:50:00 Pat IS LITERALLY DOING HIS TRUMP IMPRESSION NON-STOP. He admits he could just keep doing it all show long. Mario suggests an episode where Pat only does his Trump impression. Trump says he'll make a call to April Richardson for Trump Tunes. Good lord, we've created a monster.
In all seriousness, thanks so much to Mario for coming on the show and expressing his deep love for The Kinks. Make sure you check out his podcast Superiority Complex, where he and his co-hosts discuss some general palaver about pop culture and stuff. You can follow them on Twitter @SoupComplex. Yum.
01:55:00 Pat takes us out with the most well-known Kinks song, "You Really Got Me" off of Kinks.
Time Song Album Artist Who
00:20:00 Long Tall Sally Kinks (Deluxe Edition) The Kinks Mario
00:20:00 Just Can’t Go to Sleep Kinks The Kinks Pat
00:20:00 All Day and All of the Night Kinks-Size The Kinks Mario
00:25:00 Stop Your Sobbing Kinks The Kinks Pat
00:30:00 Set Me Free Kinda Kinks (Deluxe Edition) The Kinks Mario
00:30:00 I Need You Kinda Kinks (Deluxe Edition) The Kinks Mario
00:30:00 I Gotta Move Kinks-Size The Kinks Pat
00:35:00 Tired of Waiting for You Kinda Kinks The Kinks Mario
00:35:00 Nothin’ in the World Can Stop Me Worryin’ ‘Bout That Girl Kinda Kinks The Kinks Pat
00:40:00 Sittin’ on My Sofa The Kink Kontroversy (Deluxe Edition) The Kinks Mario
00:40:00 Come On Now Kinda Kinks The Kinks Pat
00:40:00 Dedicated Follower of Fashion The Kink Kontroversy (Deluxe Edition) The Kinks Mario
00:45:00 You Shouldn’t Be Sad Kinda Kinks The Kinks Pat
00:45:00 I’m on an Island The Kink Kontroversy The Kinks Mario
00:50:00 When I See That Girl of Mine The Kink Kontroversy The Kinks Pat
00:50:00 Where Have All the Good Times Gone The Kink Kontroversy The Kinks Pat
00:55:00 Sunny Afternoon Face to Face The Kinks Mario
00:55:00 Party Line Face to Face The Kinks Pat
00:55:00 Big Black Smoke Face to Face (Deluxe Edition) The Kinks Mario
01:00:00 Rosie Won’t You Please Come Home Face to Face The Kinks Pat
01:00:00 I’ll Remember Face to Face The Kinks Pat
01:05:00 Act Nice and Gentle Something Else by The Kinks (Deluxe Edition) The Kinks Mario
01:10:00 Waterloo Sunset Something Else by The Kinks The Kinks Pat
01:15:00 David Watts Something Else by The Kinks The Kinks Mario
01:15:00 Love Me till the Sun Shines Something Else by The Kinks The Kinks Pat
01:15:00 Polly Something Else by The Kinks The Kinks Mario
01:20:00 Days The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society (Deluxe Edition) The Kinks Pat
01:20:00 She’s Got Everything Single The Kinks Pat
01:25:00 Picture Book The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society The Kinks Pat
01:25:00 Village Green The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society The Kinks Mario
01:30:00 Starstruck The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society The Kinks Pat
01:30:00 Big Sky The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society The Kinks Mario
01:35:00 Session Man Face to Face The Kinks Pat
01:35:00 Dandy Face to Face The Kinks Pat
01:35:00 Autumn Almanac Something Else by The Kinks (Deluxe Edition) The Kinks Mario
01:35:00 The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society The Kinks Pat
01:40:00 Victoria Arthur (Or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire) The Kinks Mario
01:40:00 Some Mother’s Son Arthur (Or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire) The Kinks Pat
01:40:00 Brainwashed Arthur (Or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire) The Kinks Mario
01:55:00 You Really Got Me Kinks The Kinks Pat