Episode 225: Let's Count to 20!



Episode 225: Let's Count to 20!
Pat's getting odd and Murray's getting even as these two grown men are about to count to 20! Tony Thaxton sits in as guest Producer to make sure everything runs by the numbers.
From November 5, 2015

With your hosts:

Pat Francis

Murray Valeriano


00:00:00 Pat and Murray welcome us to the show. Today's episode has a special guest producer (Young Kyle is busy making that paper). It's drummer/podcaster/former guest/toy collector/lover of ladies Tony Thaxton!
Tony was on the Drum and Drummer episode which was a LOOOOOONG time ago (back in the OG Gary Lucy/Matt Belknap days). Who is Tony's drum hero. "Meg White," guesses Murray. It's actually a guy named Damon Atkinson from a Chicago band called Braid. Pat loves Stewart Copeland from The Police. He flies through the songs live.
00:05:00 Murray saw The Police on their big reunion tour. All Murray knows is that the slow songs were played fast and the fast songs were played slow. Oh boy. Murray also caught a cab once and the cab driver wanted to pick someone up. Murray told the driver to just take him off and pick up the other guy later. It turns out the guy was Sting. Now, it could have been the wrestler, but this Sting was at a Yoga gym. Something tells me Steve Borden isn't doing the Downward Facing Dog in-between bodyslamming Diamond Dallas Page and hitting Jeff Jarrett with a baseball bat.
Tony used to be in a band called Motion City Soundtrack. His new band is called The Pride of Erie, PA. He also has a year-round Christmas podcast called Feliz Navipod. Pat thinks Tony should go on Murray's podcast Roadstories. Murray's had some rockers on before.
00:10:00 Today's topic is called Let's Count to 20: Pat and Murray will play songs one-by-one that title-wise go up numerically until they reach 20. Pat will play songs with an odd number in the title (1, 3, 5, etc.) and Murray will play songs with an even number in the title (2, 4, 6, etc.). Got it? Good, because somehow the conversation turns to phone sex, sexting, and Kyle's very hairy body. Don't ask, I can't even explain it. Also, Rod Stewart has a new song called "Batman Superman Spider-Man," which Pat unironically loves.
00:15:00 We're recording this before Halloween night. What would the boys dress up as? Tony would be Corky St. Clair (Christopher Guest) from Waiting for Guffman. Murray would be a skeleton. Murray's neighbor always dresses up as Tim the Enchanter from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Pat and Pilar don't dress up at all. This recording also takes place before the Royals won the World Series. Murray doesn't care about sports at all. It's surfing and that's it.
00:20:00 Someone emailed Pat saying they enjoyed the pre-music banter. As someone who has to WRITE about the pre-music banter, screw off whoever you are. Pat also reveals that James Taylor was recently on WTF with Marc Maron. Murray responds with some snoring.
"I find it ironic that he did heroin, yet every time I listen to him, I nod off."
- Murray, talking about James Taylor, with the line of the episode
Okay, let's start the count! Tony actually has an intro song that pseudo explains the topic. Off the album English Settlement, it's "Senses Working Overtime" by XTC. That's right, instead of counting to 20, XTC can only count to 5. A failing of the English school system if you ask me. Pat points out that Todd Rundgren produced XTC. Murray scoffs at that notion, believing 100% that Rundgren was nowhere near XTC. Skylarking. 1986. Producer: Todd Rundgren. Even Murray loves it when he fails so hard.
00:25:00 There are no "zero" songs. Pat can only think of a "zero" song by The Rolling Stones which is reggae. Every rocker has their reggae song. Pat suggests doing a show about it, which causes Murray to bleed from the eyes. Hey, Murray's gonna be a little busy prepping for Murray Christmas. Will next year's Christmas episode be titled Snow White with that coke fiend Mike Siegel? Only time will tell, as Asia once said. In any event, Pat plays his first pick. Pat wouldn't do a Skype interview except with two ladies: Carly Simon ("That video would be all mouth and teeth," says Murray) and Carole King. Pat plays "One Fine Day" off the album Pearls: Songs of Goffin and King.
This wasn't an easy topic for Murray. He initially thought of "Two Hearts Beat as One" by U2, but figured we've heard enough of U2 lately. Then he thought of picking "Two Tribes" by Frankie Goes to Hollywood, but he watched the video for "Relax" and felt WAAAAAAAAAAY too uncomfortable.
00:30:00 So instead Murray goes hip hop and plays "It Takes Two" by Rob Base & DJ E-Z Rock from the album It Takes Two. Rap in Peace, E-Z Rock. Murray's getting some movie screeners already, such as Straight Outta Compton and Grandma. Tony didn't realize Straight Outta Compton wasn't a documentary until he watched it. Movie talk turns to M. Night Shyamalan and his progressively worse films. Tony once met M. Night backstage at a Blink-182 concert in Tokyo. "There is a lot of shitty creativity going on there," quips Murray.
00:35:00 Pat is up again with number three. It's Commodores with "Three Times a Lady" off the album Natural High. Murray FUCKING LOVES Lionel Richie, and that's a direct quote on that one. Pat enjoys him too. Murray also makes it known to Tony that he beats the skins from time to time. Huh, usually it seems that Murray only knows how to beat off............ *crickets*.........COMEDY!
Anyhoo, Murray plays his number four song. Off the album Obscured by Clouds, it's Pink Floyd with "Free Four". It's very sixties psychedelic poppish, very "Spirit in the Sky."
00:40:00 You have to dig a little deeper for bouncy Pink Floyd. Breaking news, a Pink Floyd episode with Murray and Daryl Asher is incoming. Murray is enjoying David Gilmour's new solo album. He's got a distinct guitar sound, that Davey Gilmour. What about distinct drum sounds? Tony can only think of John Bonham. The Bonham sound is a combo of size and recording space. The convo turns to Jason Bonham doing the Led Zeppelin Experience and how the lead singer isn't trying to be Robert Plant. Meanwhile, Pat points out, the new lead singer of Yes is trying too hard to be Jon Anderson. "When you're the guy who's replacing the guy, fucking chill," notes Murray.
00:45:00 Pat loves Peter Wolf's solo work, so he plays some for number five. The song is "Five O'Clock Angel" off the album Sleepless. Tony is also the drummer for Pardcast-a-thon. He enjoys being there and meeting all the big names in Hollywood: Galifianakis. Hamm. Valeriano. Pardcast-a-thon is going to be March 5, 2016 this time around because Jimmy Pardo and the gang in order to get a bigger talent pool to choose from.
00:50:00 Murray wants to convert Pat to be a fan of his next pick. This isn't the song to do it. He plays "16 Shells From a Thirty-Ought-Six" by Tom Waits off the album Swordfishtrombones. It's not terrible. Of course it's also over thirty years old and Tom Waits' voice now sounds even more like a bunch of screws being poured into a blender. "Now he sounds like he lives in the basement of Hooper's store," Pat says.
Pat's lucky number seven features a couple of guys who were on the podcast prior. Off the album Normal as the Next Guy, it's The Knack with "Seven Days of Heaven". Murray thinks The Knack is terrible. He loves power pop, but he does not love that, no sir.
00:55:00 With love to April Richardson, Murray plays "Driver 8" by R.E.M. off the album Fables of the Reconstruction.
Tony chimes in with his own eight song. Off the album Beatles for Sale, it's "Eight Days a Week" by The Beatles. An obvious, yet enjoyable choice.
Pat's going live with his next pick. It's "Nine Tonight (Live)" by Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band from the album Nine Tonight.
01:00:00 For the 500th time, Pat explains that Bob Seger has a very poor stage setup and stage banter. Basically Pat has four stories that he retells over and over again and we all have to live with it. Such is life. Tony thanks Pat for putting his songs in order, UNLIKE SOME OTHER ROCK SOLID CO-HOST! Poor Murray, getting the shaft even from the guests. Luckily he makes up for it with his next pick, which was already featured tonight! It's XTC with "Ten Feet Tall" off the album Drums and Wires. That was not produced by Todd Rundgren, but by the great Steve Lillywhite.
01:05:00 Speaking of Mr. Lillywhite, Pat plays a band that Steve knows very well. Off the live album Under a Blood Red Sky, it's U2 with "11 O'Clock Tick Tock". Pat shares another story. He had free--FREE--Scorpions tickets. No one wanted to go with him. Pat had to decline these free tickets. Then Pat's friend from home told him he saw "The Scorps" and they were awesome. Now Pat is sad he didn't see him. Ah well, what can you do? It's not like Pat could have gone alone, right? That's CRAZY!
Murray's next band aren't German metal masters like Scorpions, but we're not gonna hold that against them. It's Young the Giant with the song "12 Fingers" off their self-titled album.
01:10:00 Who is unlucky thirteen for Pat Francis? It's Elvis Costello! Off the album Brutal Youth, it's the song "13 Steps Lead Down".
Murray's next band is one that he doesn't even like. Pat thinks of a Guns N' Roses fourteen song, but it's not GNR. GNR is actually the worst concert Tony ever saw, so there's that. Was Buckethead there? No Buckethead, but Bumblefoot was present and accounted for. Murray's band is called Stars and the song is "14 Forever" off the EP Sad Robots. Not bad, not bad. Murray is considering giving them a second chance.
01:15:00 Another week, another chance for Pat to play some Taylor Swift. Off the album Fearless, it's "Fifteen". Everybody and their mother on Murray's street saw Taylor in concert.
So it's time for a sixteen song. What does Murray have in store for us? "Is it Kiss?" Pat asks. "Of course not," responds Murray, "You know I hate Kiss." He does. He certainly does. Murray plays "Conversation 16" by The National off the album High Violet.
01:20:00 Tony has another song that he wants to put into the count. Fittingly, the song is called "15-17 Months" by a band called Tiny Stills off an album called Falling Is Like Flying. The lead singer/guitarist/writer is Tony's current ladyfriend.
And now, Pat has THREE seventeen songs to play for us. First up, Foreigner. Off the album Head Games, it's "Seventeen".
01:25:00 Next up, Jet. Pat plays "Seventeen" off the album Shaka Rock. Finally, Pat plays "Edge of Seventeen" by Pat Benatar off the album Bella Donna. Pat reiterates that he saw Stevie Nicks and HAIM do a guest spot with the Foo Fighters.
"That sounded like the greatest Foo Fighters show ever. Oh no, you didn't go to that one, I was at that one."
- Murray, effectively giving a Stone Cold Stunner to Pat Francis and his Foo Fighters concert experience.
Murray takes a page out of Pat's playbook and plays some Alice Cooper. It's "I'm Eighteen" off the album Love It to Death. Pat's heard this song a thousand times. "But you've never heard it with the dulcy tones of Pat Smear, have you?" Murray asks. Another sick burn from Murray Valeriano.
01:30:00 Who is the best drummer of all time? Tony has no clue. Who is the worst drummer of all t- "Meg White." No hesitation on Tony's part. Murray plugs something in and plays a little "Burning Love" by Elvis, which features Ron Tutt on drums. Good stuff. Praise is also dealt to Kenny Aronoff, who has been mentioned plenty of times on the podcast. Tony's friend, the drummer from OK Go, was at a drum party event thing. Jack & Diane came on the PA and Kenny Aronoff started playing along live to the song.
01:35:00 Pat praises a newer band called Twenty One Pilots. He saw them in concert with his daughter at the Greek and the place was packed at the gils. They did this intricate drumming thing that was pretty cool. They also wouldn't stop moving around the stage. "They're pilots, dude, you gotta be in good shape," says Murray.
01:40:00 Pat has two potential nineteen songs: Band or Solo. Murray picks the solo, so sorry Steely Dan's "Hey Nineteen." Instead Pat plays "Nineteen Forever" by Joe Jackson off the album Blaze of Glory. Murray's potential nineteen song was "19" by Paul Hardcastle.
Murray and April were shocked that Pat doesn't like T. Rex's Electric Warrior. Well, Murray is gonna try to correct that with his next pick, "20th Century Boy" by T. Re- Hold on. No. Oh no. It's not T. Rex. It's Mickey Finn's T. Rex. Meaning it's a re-recording without Marc Bolan. Oh Murray. YOU HAD ONE JOB!!!! *sigh* Well, it's off the album Classic Hits, in case you were wondering, I guess.
01:45:00 While we all wallow in Murray's subpar re-recording of an absolute classic, we get some plugs. You can find Tony on Twitter @TonyThaxton and at his website TonyThaxton.com.
01:50:00 Thanks so much to Tony for being here and producing the show, it was a lot of fun. Thanks as always for Murray for just KILLING IT this episode. And thanks to Pat for having an appropriate closing song which features the number 21. Off the album Under Rug Swept, it's Alanis Morissette with "21 Things I Want in a Lover".
Time Song Album Artist Who
00:20:00 Senses Working Overtime English Settlement XTC Tony
00:25:00 One Fine Day Pearls: Songs of Goffin and King Carole King Pat
00:30:00 It Takes Two It Takes Two Rob Base & DJ E-Z Rock Murray
00:35:00 Three Times a Lady Natural High Commodores Pat
00:35:00 Free Four Obscured by Clouds Pink Floyd Murray
00:45:00 Five O’Clock Angel Sleepless Peter Wolf Pat
00:50:00 16 Shells From a Thirty-Ought-Six Swordfishtrombones Tom Waits Murray
00:50:00 Seven Days of Heaven Normal as the Next Guy The Knack Pat
00:55:00 Driver 8 Fables of the Reconstruction R.E.M. Murray
00:55:00 Eight Days a Week Beatles for Sale The Beatles Tony
00:55:00 Nine Tonight (Live) Nine Tonight Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band Pat
01:00:00 Ten Feet Tall Drums and Wires XTC Murray
01:05:00 11 O’Clock Tick Tock (Live) Under a Blood Red Sky U2 Pat
01:05:00 12 Fingers Young the Giant Young the Giant Murray
01:10:00 13 Steps Lead Down Brutal Youth Elvis Costello Pat
01:10:00 14 Forever Sad Robots Stars Murray
01:15:00 Fifteen Fearless Taylor Swift Pat
01:15:00 Conversation 16 High Violet The National Murray
01:20:00 15-17 Months Falling Is Like Flying Tiny Stills Tony
01:20:00 Seventeen Head Games Foreigner Pat
01:25:00 Seventeen Shaka Rock Jet Pat
01:25:00 Edge of Seventeen Bella Donna Stevie Nicks Pat
01:25:00 I’m Eighteen Love It to Death Alice Cooper Murray
01:40:00 Nineteen Forever Blaze of Glory Joe Jackson Pat
01:40:00 20th Century Boy Classic Hits Mickey Finn’s T. Rex Murray
01:50:00 21 Things I Want in a Lover Under Rug Swept Alanis Morissette Pat