The Songs

Click "Show Songs" to see which songs were played in each episode. Each list is formatted in this way: Song - Artist - Album - Host. Songs are listed in the order that they were played.

Episode 001 - Debut Albums  Show Songs

Episode 002 - Title Fight  Show Songs

Episode 003 - CD Force Feed  Show Songs

Episode 004 - Sophomore Surge  Show Songs

Episode 005 - Cover Songs  Show Songs

Episode 006 - The Best Albums You've Never Heard  Show Songs

Episode 007 - Bond Themes  Show Songs

Episode 008 - Double Downsizing  Show Songs

Episode 009 - Rock Solid-opedia Vol. Z  Show Songs

Episode 010 - Songs About Girls  Show Songs

Episode 011 - The Year in Rock: 1991  Show Songs

Episode 012 - Going Solo  Show Songs

Episode 013 - Rock Solid-opedia Vol. A  Show Songs

Episode 014 - Should Have Been Hits  Show Songs

Episode 015 - Got Your Number  Show Songs

Episode 016 - XXX  Show Songs

Episode 017 - Rock Solid-opedia Vol. P  Show Songs

Episode 018 - Duets  Show Songs

Episode 019 - Road Trip  Show Songs

Episode 020 - Love You Live  Show Songs

Episode 024 - Merry ChristMuffs!  Show Songs

Episode 025 - Rock Solid-opedia Vol. T  Show Songs

Episode 101 - Rock Solid-opedia Vol. QXY  Show Songs

Episode 102 - Sweet Nothings  Show Songs

Episode 103 - Trios  Show Songs

Episode 104 - Boys and Girls  Show Songs

Episode 105 - Special Guests  Show Songs

Episode 106 - Rock Solid-opedia Vol. N  Show Songs

Episode 107 - Spell It Out!  Show Songs

Episode 108 - Sun and Moon  Show Songs

Episode 109 - Someone & The Somethings  Show Songs

Episode 110 - John Waite  Show Songs

Episode 111 - "I" Tunes  Show Songs

Episode 112 - Wang Chung  Show Songs

Episode 113 - 4:12  Show Songs

Episode 114 - Rock Solid-opedia Vol. S  Show Songs

Episode 115 - Body Parts  Show Songs

Episode 121 - Replacement Players  Show Songs

Episode 122 - It's Go Time  Show Songs

Episode 123 - Misheard Lyrics  Show Songs

Episode 140 - Mental Patient Songs  Show Songs

Episode 141 - Debbi Peterson  Show Songs

Episode 142 - Country  Show Songs

Episode 143 - Travelin' Tales  Show Songs

Episode 144 - Rock Solid-opedia Vol. R  Show Songs

Episode 145 - Elvis Vs. Elvis  Show Songs

Episode 146 - Fun in the Sun  Show Songs

Episode 147 - Super Groups  Show Songs

Episode 148 - Deep Album Cuts  Show Songs

Episode 149 - B-Sides  Show Songs

Episode 150 - Set Sail  Show Songs

Episode 151 - Funk Off!  Show Songs

Episode 152 - Contraction Junction  Show Songs

Episode 153 - Mad World  Show Songs

Episode 154 - Rock Solid-opedia Vol. I  Show Songs

Episode 155 - The Boss  Show Songs

Episode 156 - Bobbie Brown  Show Songs

Episode 157 - Female Artists with Heather Stewart  Show Songs

Episode 158 - Title Fight  Show Songs

Episode 159 - Elliot Easton  Show Songs

Episode 160 - Long Song Titles  Show Songs

Episode 161 - 1 Word  Show Songs

Episode 162 - Crime Spree  Show Songs

Episode 163 - Tom "F-ing" Petty  Show Songs

Episode 164 - Susanna Hoffs  Show Songs

Episode 165 - Martha Quinn  Show Songs

Episode 166 - The Producer's Chair  Show Songs

Episode 167 - Title Tracks  Show Songs

Episode 168 - Worst of the Best  Show Songs

Episode 169 - Diamond's Diamonds  Show Songs

Episode 170 - Saxual Harassment  Show Songs

Episode 171 - Turned 21  Show Songs

Episode 172 - We Love Alice!  Show Songs

Episode 173 - "Like"  Show Songs

Episode 174 - Dreams  Show Songs

Episode 175 - Smile Train  Show Songs

Episode 176 - Obscure Bands  Show Songs

Episode 177 - Neil Young Never Sleeps  Show Songs

Episode 178 - 108 Rock Star Guitars  Show Songs

Episode 179 - Rainbow Bands  Show Songs

Episode 180 - Merry Christymas  Show Songs

Episode 181 - 2014 Year In Review  Show Songs

Episode 182 - Epic Soundtrack Songs Crossover Part 2  Show Songs

Episode 183 - Ricky Warwick  Show Songs

Episode 184 - Rock in Peace  Show Songs

Episode 185 - Wild About Wings  Show Songs

Episode 186 - War & Peace  Show Songs

Episode 187 - Shiny Happy Podcast  Show Songs

Episode 188 - Humble Beginnings  Show Songs

Episode 189 - The Wrecking Crew  Show Songs

Episode 190 - We Are the World  Show Songs

Episode 191 - Earth Water Air Fire  Show Songs

Episode 192 - Dweezil Zappa  Show Songs

Episode 193 - Richie Zito  Show Songs

Episode 194 - 10 Out of 10  Show Songs

Episode 195 - The Cheap Zappa Trick  Show Songs

Episode 196 - Title Fight: Round 2  Show Songs

Episode 197 - The Purple One  Show Songs

Episode 198 - Comedy Songs  Show Songs

Episode 199 - The Rock 'n' Roll Compass  Show Songs

Episode 200 - Steve Lukather  Show Songs

Episode 201 - The Mental Illness Music Hour  Show Songs

Episode 202 - Knopfler & The Straits  Show Songs

Episode 203 - Bruce Kulick  Show Songs

Episode 204 - Blue  Show Songs

Episode 205 - Happy Father's Day  Show Songs

Episode 206 - Kathy Valentine  Show Songs

Episode 207 - Walk Don't Run  Show Songs

Episode 208 - Radio Radio  Show Songs

Episode 209 - Little Johnny Cougar Mellencamp  Show Songs

Episode 210 - The WHO  Show Songs

Episode 211 - 1985  Show Songs

Episode 212 - Kiss: Keepers & Clunkers (Part One)  Show Songs

Episode 213: Album Closers  Show Songs

Episode 214: U2  Show Songs

Episode 215: Eyes  Show Songs

Episode 216: Disco  Show Songs

Episode 217: Oh Canada!  Show Songs

Episode 218: Fleetwood Mac  Show Songs

Episode 219: The Rock'N'Roll Zoo  Show Songs

Episode 220: All Paul  Show Songs

Episode 221: Side 2, Track 1  Show Songs

Episode 222: The Warmth of Vinyl  Show Songs

Episode 223: The Question Is...  Show Songs

Episode 224: Spooky Tunes  Show Songs

Episode 225: Let's Count to 20!  Show Songs

Episode 226: Sir Elton  Show Songs

Episode 227: Two Hit Blunder  Show Songs

Episode 228: Kiss: Keepers & Clunkers (Part Two)  Show Songs

Episode 229: Defiance  Show Songs

Episode 230: Fed Zeppelin  Show Songs

Episode 231: Download Now!  Show Songs

Episode 232: Murray Christmas  Show Songs

Episode 233: 2015 Year in Review  Show Songs

Episode 234: Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2016  Show Songs

Episode 235: Rock Solid LIVE at SF Sketchfest with Sammy Hagar  Show Songs

Episode 236: LIVE Tracks  Show Songs

Episode 237: Long Longer Longest  Show Songs

Episode 238: Everything & Nothing  Show Songs

Episode 239: Tarantino Tunes  Show Songs

Episode 240: Tribute to David Bowie  Show Songs

Episode 241: High Voltage  Show Songs

Episode 242: 1 Word Bands  Show Songs

Episode 243: New & Classic  Show Songs

Episode 244: Kenny Aronoff  Show Songs

Episode 245: Electric Light Podcast  Show Songs

Episode 246: The Rolling Stones: 1964 - 1969  Show Songs

Episode 247: Cheap Trick School  Show Songs

Episode 248: The Brothers Gibb  Show Songs

Episode 249: Want Vs Need  Show Songs

Episode 250: Uncomfortably Numb  Show Songs

Episode 251: Rock In Peace Vol. 2  Show Songs

Episode 252: The Kinks: 1964 - 1969  Show Songs

Episode 253: Hard & Heavy  Show Songs

Episode 254: Two Hands Clapping  Show Songs

Episode 255: Terri Nunn  Show Songs

Episode 256: Shuffle, Repeat  Show Songs

Episode 257: Songs About Girls  Show Songs

Episode 258: Party Of One  Show Songs

Episode 259: Title Fight: Round 3  Show Songs

Episode 260: REO Podwagon  Show Songs

Episode 261: Goosebumps  Show Songs

Episode 262: R-A-M-O-N-E-S !!  Show Songs

Episode 262: R-A-M-O-N-E-S !!

Episode 262: R-A-M-O-N-E-S !!

Hey Ho Let's Go as Pat and Guest Co-Host John Ross Bowie (The Big Bang Theory, Speechless, The Heat) discuss the greatest punk rock band in history... RAMONES!

From July 21, 2016

With your host:

Pat Francis

00:00:00

Pat and Kyle welcome us to the show. Today's special guest co-host is actor extraordinaire

John Ross Bowie!

You've seen John on The Big Bang Theory, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Burn Notice, Weeds, Happy Endings, Brooklyn Nine-Nine, and a host of others. He is starring in a new show coming out in September on ABC called Speechless. It's about a family that moves to Orange County for the betterment of their son with cerebral palsy.


00:05:00

John stars in it with Minnie Driver, who is a bit taller than John. To compensate, they "increased my font size" in some photos, as John puts it. But despite her height advantage, she is a very nice lady. Today John is here to do an episode all about the Ramones. Pat's been wanting to do an all-Ramones episode for a while. He didn't get into the Ramones until college when he became transfixed by the album cover for End of the Century. John loves that album cover because it's the four Ramones wearing bright primary color shirts with just the meanest looks on their faces.


00:10:00

While Pat never saw the Ramones live, John did. He describes it as a "sonic assault." 28 songs crammed into a one hour show. Pat and John marvel about how all four original Ramones are dead, yet only one Rolling Stone is dead. And he died in an accident in the late 60s. John also wrote a play about the Ramones.


00:15:00

The play is called "Four Chords and a Gun" and it's about the recording of End of the Century. John chose that time period because it's a major turning point for the band: it was their biggest selling album, it almost tore them apart, and yet they stayed around for nine more albums. The play is not a musical, but there are a few Ramones songs in there and some Phil Spector songs too. All in all it's a good time.


00:20:00

We kick things off with the first album, 1976's Ramones. John notes how the bass is in one channel and the guitar is the other. He plays his first pick,

"Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue". 14 songs, 29 minutes. John loves the "now" in the act of sniffing glue. The sense of time management and urgency.

Pat's pick for the first album is one of their most well-known songs, "Blitzkrieg Bop".


00:25:00

John's second pick from the debut opens side two, it's called "Loudmouth". John and Pat laugh about how back in the day, this was considered crazy rock and roll. Now it seems so tame in comparison.

The next pick for Pat is called "53rd & 3rd". Some people criticize the Ramones for sounding the same in each song, but Pat and John disagree. The first four albums are cut from similar cloth, but once you get out of the 70s and into the 80s, things take a turn.


00:30:00

The band's second album is 1977's Leave Home. John plays the song "I Remember You". Pat had picked the same song. The production sounds much clearer and the instruments blend together real well. John plays his other pick, "Oh Oh I Love Her So". Again, 14 songs in under 30 minutes.

Album number three, 1977's Rocket to Russia, released during the peak of punk rock. John plays the song "We're a Happy Family". John remembers going to a Ramones show and the band would close with the song. Joey would point to each member of the audience and say "We're a happy family." In some small way, John felt like he too was a Ramone.


00:35:00

Pat's pick from Rocket to Russia is "Rockaway Beach". "2 minutes and 6 seconds of Heaven," says Pat. "That was also my honeymoon." Hey now! John went to Rockaway Beach once, and when he found out you need a car to get groceries, he promptly went back to Midtown.

John's second pick from the album is one that managed to crack #81 on the Billboard charts, it's "Sheena Is a Punk Rocker".


00:40:00

Ramones albums were on a major label, they had an artistic director, they were promoted and had a competent production team. And yet they never managed to have huge commercial success. Perhaps they looked too dangerous, with their leather jackets and their New York attitudes. Pat's second pick is called "Locket Love". By this point, the band has 42 songs on 3 albums! Incredible


00:45:00

1978's Road to Ruin is the first to feature Marky Ramone on the drums. Still alive, god love him. And this album features a real schism in the early Ramones catalogue. John plays the jangly power pop "Don't Come Close". A cute little pop song that Pat also picked.

Pat also picked the big song, maybe their most well-known, "I Wanna Be Sedated". John calls it a sonically perfect song and credits engineer Ed Stasium for the guitar sound.

Pat's third pick is one that John also picked, "I Just Want to Have Something to Do". In the span of two years, the band has released four albums.


00:50:00

We move on to the previously-mentioned End of the Century from 1980. Phil Spector is in the producer's chair. And there were some tensions between him and the band.... as in, the rumor being Phil holding the band hostage with a pistol. Oh Phil, you silly goose. The album sounds nothing like the previous albums.

John picks a song called "Danny Says". The song is this love song that slowly builds layer upon layer. End of the Century is Phil's last album. Dee Dee claims he did not play bass on the album and it's widely accepted as true. In fact, the story goes that session guys were brought in to finish the album.


00:55:00

John's second pick from End of the Century is the polar opposite of Danny Says called "Let's Go".

Pat's first pick from the album is the opening track, "Do You Remember Rock 'n' Roll Radio?". What does Kyle think of this so far? He enjoys it. He's heard most of these songs because he went through a Ramones phase, maaaaaaaan. Pat wonders about the royalty deals for these songs. With the exception of C. J., there are no Ramones kids. A lot of the money goes to cancer charities because Johnny, Joey, and Tommy all died of cancer. Pat's second pick from the album is "Chinese Rock".


01:00:00

The third song that Pat picks is called "The Return of Jackie and Judy". Marky is Pat's favorite Ramones drummer. Surprisingly there are no era-specific Ramones shirts. There are only the original four.


01:05:00

After End of the Century, the band release Pat's favorite Ramones album, 1981's Pleasant Dreams. Pat plays "We Want the Airwaves".

John's first pick off the album is a song called "This Business Is Killing Me". This album has no Johnny-penned songs.

Pat's second choice is called "She's a Sensation".

John's second pick is the infamous one, "The KKK Took My Baby Away". The rumor is that Johnny stole Joey's girlfriend, so Joey wrote this song about it. The other rumor is that the song is about a woman Joey met in an insane asylum.


01:10:00

Subterranean Jungle was released in 1983 and it is the last to feature Marky for a while. His drinking had been getting out of hand. John's first pick is a bonus track called "Indian Giver". The album has three cover songs and only one Johnny song.

Pat's first pick is one that John also picked, "Outsider".


01:15:00

Dee Dee sings the bridge and he sounds good on it, as opposed to the later stuff where he sounds haggard. John brings up a Dee Dee Ramone rap record. Good god. Kyle plays some of it for our listening displeasure. It's... it's not good.

Pat washes that out of our brains with another pick from Subterranean Jungle called "In the Park".


01:20:00

Up next is 1984's Too Tough to Die. Pat and John really love the album cover, and John really likes the songs on it. The album is also the first with Richie Ramone on drums. John's first pick is produced by Dave Stewart and is quite the outlier. It's"Howling at the Moon (Sha-La-La)". Certainly quite the departure from other Ramones stuff.

Pat's pick from the album is called "Daytime Dilemma (Dangers of Love)". Wow! Now that is an anthem.

John then nosedives the plane to hardcore Dee Dee Land with his next pick, "Wart Hog".


01:25:00

Moving on now to 1986's Animal Boy. In contrast to Too Tough to Die, Pat and John do not like the album cover. John plays his first pick, the album opener "Somebody Put Something in My Drink". Written by Richie Ramone. Joey has a definitive growl in his voice. Animal Boy has yet to be remastered.

Pat's first pick from Animal Boy is the political "My Brain Is Hanging Upside Down (Bonzo Goes to Bitburg)".


01:30:00

The song was written about Ronald Reagan going to Bitburg, West Germany and laying a wreath at a military cemetery, where many Nazi soldiers were buried. A lot of people took offense to this, including Joey Ramone who is half-Jewish on his father's side, so Joey wrote a song about it. John's second pick is the last song on the album called "Something to Believe In". Pat likes half the album, but the half the album he likes he loves.


01:35:00

The last Richie Ramone album is 1987's Halfway to Sanity. A very guitar-heavy record, as opposed to the synths-heavy stuff of previous years. John plays the opening track, "I Wanna Live".

Pat picks the song "A Real Cool Time".

The other song John picks features Debbie Harry on background vocals. The song is called "Go Lil' Camaro Go". A fun little punk pop song.


01:40:00

Richie got fed up with being in the Ramones and left. Clem Burke from Blondie joined the band for a few gigs as Elvis Ramone, then Marky got back into the band, sober and ready to go. This takes us to 1989's Brain Drain. Pat loves this album, John only likes a couple songs. It was very metal. Pat plays a song that he and John love called "Pet Sematary". According to the story, Dee Dee wrote the song in an hour in Stephen King's basement. Rammstein also does a cover of it.


01:45:00

Pat then plays the opening track, "I Believe in Miracles". We hear a little of Rammstein's cover of "Pet Sematary" and the boys are not a fan.

John plays his pick "Merry Christmas (I Don't Want to Fight Tonight".

Pat's next is one that we can all relate to. It's called "Don't Bust My Chops". Very beefy, very 80s metal.


01:50:00

Pat's final pick from Brain Drain is "Can't Get You Out of My Mind".

Three years later, the band releases 1992's Mondo Bizarro. Dee Dee is out of the band, yet is still writing for them. C. J. is now on bass. John calls it a hit-or-miss record. He plays the song "Poison Heart".

Pat's pick from the album is called "I Won't Let It Happen".

John follows this up with another song that we can all relate to. It's "The Job That Ate My Brain".


01:55:00

The last song Pat picks from the album is called "Heidi Is a Headcase".

1994's Acid Eaters is a covers album. It's okay, but the guys would much prefer an original album. John's first pick is CCR's "Have You Ever Seen the Rain?". The other one he picks is Jefferson Airplane's "Somebody to Love".

Pat's first cover pick is The Who's "Substitute", which has Pete Townshend on background vocals.


02:00:00

The other cover that Pat picks is The Rolling Stones' "Out of Time", with SEBASTIAN BACH (!!) on background vocals. Pat remembers seeing Johnny Ramone at a video store in the Valley. John saw him walking out of a Reverend Horton Heat show. Johnny wasn't the friendliest guy ("an aura made of steel," as John describes), but Joey was always willing to talk to fans.

The last Ramones album is 1995's ¡Adiós Amigos!. Pat questions the back cover and thinks Dee Dee is sitting down in the sombrero. But it's actually their tour manager Monte Melnick, who was with them for their entire career.


02:05:00

John's first pick is called "Life's a Gas". Joey's voice is starting to deepen with this album, but John digs it a lot.

Pat's first pick from the album is a Tom Waits cover called "I Don't Want to Grow Up".

The other song that John picks is called "She Talks to Rainbows".


02:10:00

We have reached the end of this madcap musical train of leather jackets and unrelated band members. You can find John on Twitter @JohnRossBowie. There is a link there where you can buy tickets to his Ramones play "Four Chords and a Gun." And remember to watch his show Speechless on ABC this Fall.

This was an absolute blast of a show. Thanks to John for being here. We managed to squeeze in a bajillion Ramones songs in two hours, which is the way they would have wanted it. Pat takes us out with a loving tribute to the Ramones written by Lemmy from Motorhead. Here is the band doing their version of it, sung by C. J. It's "R.A.M.O.N.E.S.".

Time Song Album Artist Who
00:20:00 Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue Ramones Ramones John
00:20:00 Blitzkrieg Bop Ramones Ramones Pat
00:25:00 Loudmouth Ramones Ramones John
00:25:00 53rd & 3rd Ramones Ramones Pat
00:30:00 I Remember You Leave Home Ramones John
00:30:00 Oh Oh I Love Her So Leave Home Ramones John
00:30:00 We're a Happy Family Rocket to Russia Ramones John
00:35:00 Rockaway Beach Rocket to Russia Ramones Pat
00:35:00 Sheena is a Punk Rocker Rocket to Russia Ramones John
00:40:00 Locket Love Rocket to Russia Ramones Pat
00:45:00 Don't Come Close Road to Ruin Ramones John
00:45:00 I Wanna Be Sedated Road to Ruin Ramones Pat
00:45:00 I Just Wanna Have Something to Do Road to Ruin Ramones Pat
00:50:00 Danny Says End of the Century Ramones John
00:55:00 Let's Go End of the Century Ramones John
00:55:00 Do You Remember Rock 'n' Roll Radio? End of the Century Ramones Pat
00:55:00 Chinese Rock End of the Century Ramones Pat
01:00:00 The Return of Jackie and Judy End of the Century Ramones Pat
01:05:00 We Want the Airwaves Pleasant Dreams Ramones Pat
01:05:00 This Business is Killing Me Pleasant Dreams Ramones John
01:05:00 She's a Sensation Pleasant Dreams Ramones Pat
01:05:00 The KKK Took My Baby Away Pleasant Dreams Ramones Pat
01:10:00 Indian Giver Subterranean Jungle Ramones John
01:10:00 Outsider Subterranean Jungle Ramones Pat
01:15:00 Ind the Park Subterranean Jungle Ramones Pat
01:20:00 Howling at the Moon (Sha-La-La) Too Tough to Die Ramones John
01:20:00 Daytime Dilemma (Dangers of Love) Too Tough to Die Ramones Pat
01:20:00 Wart Hog Too Tough to Die Ramones John
01:25:00 Somebody Put Something in My Drink Animal Boy Ramones John
01:25:00 My Brain Is Hanging Upside Down (Bonzo Goes to Bitburg) Animal Boy Ramones Pat
01:30:00 Something to Believe In Animal Boy Ramones John
01:35:00 I Wanna Live Halfway to Sanity Ramones John
01:35:00 A Real Cool Time Halfway to Sanity Ramones Pat
01:35:00 Go Lil' Camaro Go Halfway to Sanity Ramones John
01:40:00 Pet Sematary Brain Drain Ramones Pat
01:45:00 I Believe in Miracles Brain Drain Ramones Pat
01:45:00 Merry Christmas (I Don't Want to Fight Tonight) Brain Drain Ramones John
01:45:00 Don't Bust My Chops Brain Drain Ramones Pat
01:50:00 Can't Get You Out of My Mind Brain Drain Ramones Pat
01:50:00 Poison Heart Mondo Bizarro Ramones John
01:50:00 I Won't Let it Happen Mondo Bizarro Ramones John
01:50:00 The Job That Ate My Brain Mondo Bizarro Ramones John
01:55:00 Heidi Is a Headcase Mondo Bizarro Ramones Pat
01:55:00 Have You Ever Seen the Rain? Acid Eaters Ramones John
01:55:00 Somebody to Love Acid Eaters Ramones John
01:55:00 Substitute Acid Eaters Ramones Pat
02:00:00 Out os Time Acid Eaters Ramones Pat
02:05:00 Life's a Gas ¡Adiós Amigos! Ramones John
02:05:00 I Don't Want to Grow Up ¡Adiós Amigos! Ramones Pat
02:05:00 She Talks to Rainbows ¡Adiós Amigos! Ramones John
02:10:00 R.A.M.O.N.E.S. ¡Adiós Amigos! Ramones Pat

Time

Song

Album

Artist

Who

00:20:00

Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue

Ramones

Ramones

John

00:20:00

Blitzkrieg Bop

Ramones

Ramones

Pat

00:25:00

Loudmouth

Ramones

Ramones

John

00:25:00

53rd & 3rd

Ramones

Ramones

Pat

00:30:00

I Remember You

Leave Home

Ramones

John

00:30:00

Oh Oh I Love Her So

Leave Home

Ramones

John

00:30:00

We’re a Happy Family

Rocket to Russia

Ramones

John

00:35:00

Rockaway Beach

Rocket to Russia

Ramones

Pat

00:35:00

Sheena Is a Punk Rocker

Rocket to Russia

Ramones

John

00:40:00

Locket Love

Rocket to Russia

Ramones

Pat

00:45:00

Don’t Come Close

Road to Ruin

Ramones

John

00:45:00

I Wanna Be Sedated

Road to Ruin

Ramones

Pat

00:45:00

I Just Wanna Have Something to Do

Road to Ruin

Ramones

Pat

00:50:00

Danny Says

End of the Century

Ramones

John

00:55:00

Let’s Go

End of the Century

Ramones

John

00:55:00

Do You Remember Rock ’n’ Roll Radio?

End of the Century

Ramones

Pat

00:55:00

Chinese Rock

End of the Century

Ramones

Pat

01:00:00

The Return of Jackie and Judy

End of the Century

Ramones

Pat

01:05:00

We Want the Airwaves

Pleasant Dreams

Ramones

Pat

01:05:00

This Business Is Killing Me

Pleasant Dreams

Ramones

John

01:05:00

She’s a Sensation

Pleasant Dreams

Ramones

Pat

01:05:00

The KKK Took My Baby Away

Pleasant Dreams

Ramones

John

01:10:00

Indian Giver

Subterranean Jungle

Ramones

John

01:10:00

Outsider

Subterranean Jungle

Ramones

Pat

01:15:00

In the Park

Subterranean Jungle

Ramones

Pat

01:20:00

Howling at the Moon (Sha-La-La)

Too Tough to Die

Ramones

John

01:20:00

Daytime Dilemma (Dangers of Love)

Too Tough to Die

Ramones

Pat

01:20:00

Wart Hog

Too Tough to Die

Ramones

John

01:25:00

Somebody Put Something in My Drink

Animal Boy

Ramones

John

01:25:00

My Brain Is Hanging Upside Down (Bonzo Goes to Bitburg)

Animal Boy

Ramones

Pat

01:30:00

Something to Believe In

Animal Boy

Ramones

John

01:35:00

I Wanna Live

Halfway to Sanity

Ramones

John

01:35:00

A Real Cool Time

Halfway to Sanity

Ramones

Pat

01:35:00

Go Lil’ Camaro Go

Halfway to Sanity

Ramones

John

01:40:00

Pet Sematary

Brain Drain

Ramones

Pat

01:45:00

I Believe in Miracles

McCartney

Ramones

Pat

01:45:00

Merry Christmas (I Don’t Want to Fight Tonight)

Brain Drain

Ramones

John

01:45:00

Don’t Bust My Chops

Brain Drain

Ramones

Pat

01:50:00

Can’t Get You Out of My Mind

Brain Drain

Ramones

Pat

01:50:00

Poison Heart

Mondo Bizarro

Ramones

John

01:50:00

I Won’t Let It Happen

Mondo Bizarro

Ramones

Pat

01:50:00

The Job That Ate My Brain

Mondo Bizarro

Ramones

John

01:55:00

Heidi Is a Headcase

Mondo Bizarro

Ramones

Pat

01:55:00

Have You Ever Seen a Rain?

Acid Eaters

Ramones

John

01:55:00

Somebody to Love

Acid Eaters

Ramones

John

01:55:00

Subsitute

Acid Eaters

Ramones

Pat

02:00:00

Out of Time

Acid Eaters

Ramones

Pat

02:05:00

Life’s a Gas

¡Adiós Amigos!

Ramones

John

02:05:00

I Don’t to Grow Up

¡Adiós Amigos!

Ramones

Pat

02:05:00

She Talks to Rainbows

¡Adiós Amigos!

Ramones

John

02:10:00

R.A.M.O.N.E.S.

¡Adiós Amigos!

Ramones

Pat

Episode 261: Goosebumps



Episode 261: Goosebumps
Pat and Christy play their favorite songs that illicit "goosebumps." Do they agree on what a "goosebump song" is? No, no they do not!
From July 14, 2016

With your hosts:

Pat Francis

Christy Stratton


00:00:00 Pat, Christy, and Kyle welcome us to the show. It's been a while since Christy has been on the show, but she is busy busy busy working on Modern Family. Christy is super excited to hop aboard the MF train, what with the critical acclaim and the massive audience. Pat and Christy gush over the show.
00:05:00 The gang talks about other TV shows like The Simpsons and South Park, before transitioning into today's topic: Goosebumps. No, not the classic book series by R.L. Stine or the movie with Jack Black. These are songs that have given you goosebumps. It's a feeling that's hard to describe in writing, but you know it when you feel it. Pat and Christy note how sad some goosebumps songs can be. Christy kicks things off here. Off the album New Beginning, it's "Give Me One Reason" by Tracy Chapman.
00:10:00 Christy loves the whole presentation of the song. Pat likes it too. His first pick is by Bruce Springsteen. It's "American Skin (41 Shots)" off the album High Hopes. The song is about the police shooting death of Amadou Diallo. A chilling song, no doubt about it.
00:15:00 Christy lets her next pick go without setup. It's "Seven Bridges Road" as done by Dolly Parton from the album Little Sparrow.
Going right along to Pat's next pick, John Waite with "Bluebird Cafe" off the album When You Were Mine. A stripped down side of John Waite, which Pat enjoys quite a bit.
Christy calls her next pick a "perfect pop song." It's "Drift Away" by Dobie Gray off his album Drift Away. "I love it," says Christy. "It's inspiring and hopeful. I love it." Pat and Christy love when artists leave in the crack in their voice.
00:20:00 Kyle's never heard that version of the song, he's only heard the Uncle Kra-- "DON'T EVEN SAY IT," Christy interrupts. "Don't say it's name, it doesn't exist." Remember kids, it will only come on the radio when you say it's name three times. Christy would play the original all the time when she was a college DJ. A Christy college DJ story: One of the other DJs, nicknamed Jimmy Jack Shitty, invited Christy to smoke pot with him. He put the live version of "Do You Feel Like We Do" on the ones and twos and off they went to get cheebed up. Then Jimmy Jack hooked up with one of Christy's sorority sisters, the bastard.
Pat's next one is from those lads from Liverpool. Off of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, it's The Beatles with "She's Leaving Home".
00:25:00 Pat connects with the song because of his older daughter growing up and being a junior in high school. The bonkers film Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band gets brought up, naturally, and in the film, "She's Leaving Home" is sung by... anyone?.... Steven Tyler and The Bee Gees. Incredible. Anyway, Christy's next song is one that she connected with as an older person through a film. Off the soundtrack to Django Unchained, it's Jim Croce with "I Got a Name". Rock in Peace, Jim Croce. "He would have made the perfect Super Mario," opines Kyle. Christy and Pat gush.
Another Rock in Peace to Pat's next pick, Dan Fogelberg. "Oh my God, you're not gonna play Dan Fogelberg right now," Christy blurts out. Yes. Yes he is. Pat plays "Believe in Me" off the album Windows and Walls. Pat gets goosebumps, he cannot lie.
00:30:00 Christy's next one is a man by the name of Thomas Dolby. It's a song called "Europa and the Pirate Twins" off the album The Golden Age of Wireless. It brings Christy back to when she was young with her first love, listening to music and doing silly things. There is nothing like young love (especially when Christy's first love ended up becoming a drug dealer and going to prison). YOUTH!!!
Pat warns that a palate cleanser is needed after his next one. Off the soundtrack to Les Miserables, it's "I Dreamed a Dream" as sung by Anne Hathaway.
00:35:00 Pat had to shut that down quick, he couldn't make it to the chorus. Christy did not connect with the recent film. She and Pat agree that Russell Crowe is the low point of the film. What breaks Christy's heart is when actresses win Oscars and then do superhero movies. She has had ENOUGH with superhero movies. Some superhero movie talk: Christy POURS THE SALT all over The Dark Knight and Heath Ledger. "Oooh, I'm a liar and I burn money," she spits. Good heavens, Christy with the heel turn. Pat and Kyle try to persuade her to watch Deadpool.
00:40:00 Christy's next pick, she says, is not to be made fun of. It's "I Am Woman" by Helen Reddy from her album I Am Woman. Christy explains why the song is so great. Helen isn't saying that she can do anything a man can do. She is saying that if she has to, she will do anything.
Up next for Pat is a song by Jackson Browne. Off the album I'm Alive, the song is called "Sky Blue and Black".
00:45:00 Pat warns that Jackson Browne does what he wants at his concerts. He's not going to play the setlist you want him to play. Fair warning. Christy follows Mr. Brown with AC/DC. It's a mellower song called "Ride On" off of Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap. Very much an "I am what I am" song typical of AC/DC. Pat brings up the term Axl/DC. It takes Christy a second, followed by the TINIEST of titters.
Pat goes rock band for rock band with The Rolling Stones. Keith sings lead on the song "Losing My Touch" from the greatest hits Forty Licks.
00:50:00 For Pat, it's the breakup songs that give him the goosebumps. Christy never had that in her youth. She dated, but she never got into the dating groove. She was "the friend" for many a man. Then Christy met Gary. Christy lived with Gary for a while and Christy was a bit worried why Gary was not proposing after so long a time.
00:55:00 Gary is a dreamer, a romantic. He was waiting for the right moment that never happened. Christy explained her anxiety to him, then Gary promptly got a ring and proposed. "Christy Stratton, will you be nice to me?" Awwwwwwwwwwwww. And the rest is history. With Pat it was similar. Pilar woke Pat up in the middle of the night crying and proposing to him. Pat assuaged her fears and said that he would propose to her, but it would be as a surprise. Pat eventually proposed to Pilar on his birthday. Tears were flowing. Again, awwwwwwwwww.
This podcast is turning into Romance Solid, so Christy quickly plays another song. Off the album Grace, it's "Lilac Wine" by Jeff Buckley. Christy practically melts in her chair.
01:00:00 The next song on Pat's list was sung by his daughter Sara and the rest of the fifth grade at the last school concert of the year and all the moms were weeping. It's "I'll Stand by You" by Pretenders off the album Last of the Independents. Yeah, I can see why the tears would flow. Great song, as Pat and Christy concur.
Christy has brought "American Pie" by Don McLean from the album American Pie. What gets Christy is the ending.
01:05:00 The passion, the harmonies. It's all so great to Christy. They don't write songs like that, anymore. She is a total sucker for songs that build like that, then stop. Perhaps a future episode, hmmmm?
Pat's next song is for the vocal. It's "Behind Blue Eyes" by The Who off of Who's Next. Christy remembers connecting with it as a kid.
Every month, Christy vows to get into Rufus Wainwright because of a song she got off an Urban Outfitters CD. The song is "I Don't Know What It Is" off the album Want One. Christy intends to get into Rufus... today... later... after meeting with a babysitter and watching a few Modern Family episodes.
01:10:00 Time for some goosebumps from U2. The song is "Miracle Drug" off the album How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb. Irish goosebumps from Bono and company. Pat wonders if Christy is enjoying his songs. "I AM!" she exclaims. Christy is loving this episode and the songs within it.
01:15:00 A PALATE CLEANSER! Something to shake the goosebumps off. It's "Yankee Rose", the SPANISH VERSION, by David Lee Roth from the album Sonrisa Salvaje. Christy gets a nice laugh out of it, as do we all. Thanks DLR!
Christy's next pick is "What Have They Done to My Song Ma" by Melanie Safka from her self-titled album.
"Look what they've done to my song, they put carnival music in the background."
- Kyle

**quick pause then under her breath** "Kyle."
- Christy

Christy recommends the Miley Cyrus cover of the song as well. Pat is reminded of a Helen Reddy story. One of the comedians he knew in Chicago got hired to write for a Helen Reddy variety show and they told him they wanted to show to be edgy.
01:20:00 So the FIRST THING the guy pitched was a take on Carol Burnett pulling her ear at the end of The Carol Burnett Show. Helen would pull her ear, then it would come right off, blood squirting everywhere. He was promptly let go following, again, what was his FIRST PITCH. Pat follows this up with another song. It's the glorious Meat Loaf with "Two Out of Three Ain't Bad" off of Bat Out of Hell. Christy's response to the song: "It's good." That's all.
01:25:00 Christy has another slice of mellow gold for us to enjoy. Off the album Wichita Lineman, it's Glen Campbell with "Wichita Lineman". None of the trio have seen the Glen Campbell documentary yet. Christy started watching the Quiet Riot documentary, but has yet to finish it.
Up next for Pat is a song that he played for the artist when she was in the studio. It's "Tuesday Morning" by Melissa Etheridge off the album Lucky.
01:30:00 The song was written about Mark Bingham, a gay man who was one of the guys who fought the hijackers on Flight 93 on September 11th. Christy loves when people use their powers for good. Pat urges Christy to listen to the Terri Nunn episode.
Christy's next pick gives her goosebumps because of the quality of the recording and her nostalgic love for the original. It's Diane Birch with her cover of "This Corrosion" off the EP The Velveteen Age. Wooo! Shoutout to The Sisters of Mercy. Pat and Christy discuss the new Monkees album. Pat's listened to it a bunch, he loves it a lot. He hands Christy a copy.
01:35:00 The next song for Pat is "Don't Forget to Dance" by The Kinks off of State of Confusion.
Christy's last song is one that she discovered recently. The song is called "It's Amazing" by Jem off the album Down to Earth. How did Christy find the song? She shazamed it in the bathroom.
01:40:00 Christy talks about her web series Everyone's Crazy but Us being on the shortlist for the Emmys. Outstanding Short Form Comedy or Drama Series, Outstanding Actor " ", and Outstanding Actress " ". Christy expresses her anxieties towards the voting. Well this episode was recorded before the nominations were announced, so I can tell you that JANET VARNEY GOT A NOMINATION FOR OUTSTANDING ACTRESS. YEAH!
01:45:00 Pat takes us back to the Jackson Browne well with "In the Shape of a Heart" off the album Lives in the Balance.
Quick plugs: There is a new episode of Everyone's Crazy but Us. You can find it onYouTube.
01:50:00 The three talk about various things, including the appropriate lengths of web videos and The Daily Show. Pat wants Samantha Bee to stop wearing the mom jeans. "Oh Pat," says Christy. "They're in."
What a wonderful show. Spills and chills all throughout. And it's always nice to have Christy on the mic. Pat takes us out with another one by The Beatles. It's "In My Life" off the album Rubber Soul.


Time Song Album Artist Who
00:05:00 Give Me One Reason New Beginning Tracy Chapman Christy
00:10:00 American Skin (41 Shots) High Hopes Bruce Springsteen Pat
00:15:00 Seven Bridges Road Little Sparrow Dolly Parton Christy
00:15:00 Bluebird Cafe When You Were Mine John Waite Pat
00:15:00 Drift Away Drift Away Dobie Gray Christy
00:20:00 She’s Leaving Home Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band The Beatles Pat
00:25:00 I Got a Name Django Unchained Soundtrack Jim Croce Christy
00:25:00 Believe in Me Windows and Walls Dan Fogelberg Pat
00:30:00 Europa and the Pirate Twins The Golden Age of Wireless Thomas Dolby Christy
00:30:00 I Dreamed a Dream Les Miserables Soundtrack Anne Hathaway Pat
00:40:00 I Am Woman I Am Woman Helen Reddy Christy
00:40:00 Sky Blue and Black I’m Alive Jackson Browne Pat
00:45:00 Ride On Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap AC/DC Christy
00:45:00 Losing My Touch Forty Licks The Rolling Stones Pat
00:55:00 Lilac Wine Grace Jeff Buckley Christy
01:00:00 I’ll Stand by You Last of the Independents Pretenders Pat
01:00:00 American Pie American Pie Don McLean Christy
01:05:00 Behind Blue Eyes Who’s Next The Who Pat
01:05:00 I Don’t Know What It Is Want One Rufus Wainwright Christy
01:10:00 Miracle Drug How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb U2 Pat
01:15:00 Yankee Rose Sonrisa Salvaje David Lee Roth Pat
01:15:00 What Have They Done to My Song Ma Melanie Safka Melanie Safka Christy
01:20:00 Two Out Of Three Ain't Bad Bat Out of Hell Meat Loaf Pat
01:25:00 Wichita Lineman Wichita Lineman Glen Campbell Christy
01:25:00 Tuesday Morning Lucky Melissa Etheridge Pat
01:30:00 This Corrosion The Velveteen Age Donna Birch Christy
01:35:00 Don’t Forget to Dance State of Confusion The Kinks Pat
01:35:00 It’s Amazing Down to Earth Jem Christy
01:45:00 In the Shape of a Heart Lives in the Balance Jackson Browne Pat
01:50:00 In My Life Rubber Soul The Beatles Pat

Episode 260: REO Podwagon



Episode 260: REO Podwagon
Pat and Kyle are joined by Comedian and Radio Personality Brian Noonan to discuss the career of one of Brian's favorite bands, REO Speedwagon.
From July 7, 2016

With your host:

Pat Francis


00:00:00 Pat and Kyle welcome us to the show. We have another great guest this week. It's radio broadcaster, comedian, and an old friend of Pat's named Brian Noonan! Wait a minute.... Noonan....

Sorry, wrong Noonan.

Brian's daughter Molly is here. Pat and Brian discuss swearing in front of their daughters. Pat makes a habit of not swearing in front of his girls. Brian's said it all, pretty much. Brian and Molly drove cross country for Molly's Conan internship (an esteemed position once held by one Kyle Dodson). The fathers lament these newfound opportunities for the youngsters. "During the summer, I worked at a loading dock," notes Brian.
00:05:00 Pat had an internship at a local TV station in Pennsylvania and he did not enjoy it. They didn't even let him drink from the firehose! Brian can be heard on two radio stations, WGN Radio 720 AM and WTMJ Radio. Jimmy Pardo puts his stamp of approval of Brian's radio skills. Brian is happy with his gigs. He remembers doing local radio to promote his stand up dates and people would compliment him on how good he is on the radio.
00:10:00 Brian thanks Pat for inviting him on the podcast. He's brought notes, he's brought charts and graphs. Brian listed his favorite bands to Pat for show ideas: Van Halen (done with Mike Schmidt), Eagles (promised to Wayne Federman), Bruce Springsteen (already done), REO Speedwagon, and Lynyrd Skynyrd. Pat only knows the Skynyrd hits, so REO Speedwagon it is! Pat lit up when he saw REO on the list because he doesn't know anyone else who likes Speedwagon as much as he does. Pat and Brian discuss music formats. Pat doesn't like vinyl, he thinks CDs are the best. He likes the convenience of the CD, along with the physical aspect of it.
00:15:00 After some more used CD talk, the boys start discussing REO Speedwagon, formed in Champaign, IL in 1967 by Neal Doughty. Neal is the only original member still in the band. Their self-titled first album, R.E.O. Speedwagon (note the dots), was released in 1971. The lead singer is NOT Kevin Cronin, but a man named Terry Luttrell. Pat and Brian picked the same song, which is "Sophisticated Lady".
00:20:00 For those that only know the ballads, it doesn't sound like REO Speedwagon. And for those that know Kevin Cronin's voice, it also doesn't sound like REO Speedwagon. They were a bar band, a bunch of rockers. This is the only album with Luttrell as lead singer. The story goes that Luttrell and guitarist/lyricist Gary Richrath were fighting a lot. Eventually Luttrell ruined one of their gigs by refusing to sing, an argument occurred, Luttrell got out of the car in a huff, and Richrath and the rest of the band just LEFT THE MAN ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD!!! And they never talked to him again. Luttrell denies the story. One year later, the band releases album two, appropriately titled R.E.O./T.W.O.. Kevin Cronin is now in the band. Brian's pick from the album is "Music Man".
00:25:00 Brian argues that the REO live album Live: You Get What You Play For is one of the best live albums ever. He picked a lot of songs off it, including a song from T.W.O. called "Golden Country". Pat and Brain compliment Gary Richrath's guitar skills. T.W.O., like the first album, didn't do well, so Kevin Cronin is now OUT of the band.
For the third album, Ridin' the Storm Out, Cronin sang a few songs, but when he left in the middle of the sessions, they got a new man, Mike Murphy. Pat's next pick is an original Cronin-vocal version of a song off the album called "Son of a Poor Man", which can be found on The Essential REO Speedwagon.
00:30:00 Pat and Brian skip the next two Murphy albums, Lost in a Dream and This Time We Mean It, so they jump to 1976's R.E.O., when Kevin comes back into the fold. Keep in mind this is their SIXTH album and they still haven't broke through nationally. They've got a midwest following, but nothing more. Brian's pick is the song "Keep Pushin'". Molly update: Still here. Still conscious.
The song Pat picks for R.E.O. is called "(I Believe) Our Time Is Gonna Come". Pat and Brian note how the band is starting to hit their groove in the studio. You can hear the progression.
00:35:00 Pat interjects the proceedings to discuss Brian's incredible weightless. In 2011, he weighed 378 pounds. He proceeded to lose 160 pounds. BEHOLD!

Brian credits going to his old university and seeing some old photos of himself and just being disgusted. He didn't want to live like that anymore.
00:40:00 Brian started with a little bit of walking, then when he lost enough weight he joined a gym. Now it's a regular routine for him. Good on ya, Brian! It was hard for Brian at first to stop eating all his favorite foods and in such large quantities.
"I used to eat like I had just gotten out of prison."
- Brian

"I was like Jabba the Hutt," says Brian. He would shovel in food and not move. And he would feel like crap. So he would eat food to comfort himself. And he would not move. A vicious cycle. Now Brian is a man of fitness, a man of healthy eating, and, most importantly, a man of REO Speedwagon.
00:45:00 After that little health tangent, we go back to REO Speedwagon. After years of smushing their faces against the glass ceiling with their studio albums, the band puts out their 1977 live album Live: You Get What You Play For. Pat likens it to Kiss Alive! Brian's picked a lot of tracks from it. And like the foolish antics of the court jester, Brian plays the live version of "Golden Country" again. Oh well.
00:50:00 Following the live album, the band finally releases their big breakout studio album You Can Tune a Piano, but You Can't Tuna Fish. It's the first album with longtime bassist Bruce Hall. Pat picks a song called "Blazin' Your Own Trail Again".
00:55:00 Brian's song from Tune a Piano is called "Say You Love Me or Say Goodnight". Pat calls Tune a Piano REO's first great studio album. Brian agrees, the band needed songs that would get on the radio and appeal the different people. "Roll with the Changes" was a rocker for the guys, while "Time for Me to Fly" was a softer song for the ladies. Pat and Brian discuss the headphones. Brian will not wear the giant Beats headphones to the gym.
"Unless I'm going to Douchebag Fitness, I'm never wearing Beats to the gym."
- Brian
01:00:00 Some more giggles and guffaws leads to the next album, 1979's Nine Lives. And if you thought the album cover for Tune a Piano was bad, check out the album cover for this bad boy.

REO Speedwagon's art department was not as up to snuff as other bands'. But the album did have the hit song and Brian's next pick, "Back on the Road Again".
01:05:00 Pat's pick from the album is called "Heavy on Your Love". Brian then follows this up with another song from the album called "Only the Strong Survive".
Tune a Piano went to #29, Nine Lives went to #33, and now in 1980, finally......... FINALLY..... REO breaks into the stratosphere of arena rock royalty with Hi Infidelity. This was a seminal album for Brian. He saw them at the Universal Amphitheater with his girlfriend where the band was playing FIVE NIGHTS.
01:10:00 The album was massive, NINE MILLION copies sold, and a boatload of hit singles. Brian notes that there are plenty of ballads, but there are just enough rockin' songs to keep the hard rock fans hooked. It's one of Pat's favorite albums, he goes to it all the time. Brian goes with a song called "Tough Guys".
01:15:00 Pat plays the album opener, "Don't Let Him Go". Kyle asks Brian how he got into REO Speedwagon. Brian had been a fan since he got the live album. This was the first REO Speedwagon album that Pat ever bought.
Two years after Hi Infidelity, the band releases 1982's Good Trouble. Pat likens it to Hi Infidelity's little brother. Brian agrees, it's okay. He doesn't have anything from the album.
01:20:00 While Hi Infidelity sold nine million, Good Trouble only sold one million. Pat plays the lead single, "Keep the Fire Burnin'". Then he plays another track called "The Key". Pat and Brian agree that it sounds fine, but it just didn't hook the people as Hi Infidelity did.
Thankfully the band turned that around with 1984's Wheels Are Turnin'. "Can't Fight This Feeling" was the big power ballad off it. Pat plays a different song called "Live Every Moment".
01:25:00 Brian feels like this is the point where the hard rock loving guy fans started to fall off. Two million album copies sold and "Can't Fight This Feeling" went to #1. And then in 1987, REO releases Life As We Know It. Pat plays a song off the album called "That Ain't Love".
01:30:00 There is not an ounce of testosterone in that song or the other hit off the album, "In My Dreams," says Brian. He considers himself to be an emotional wreck because he likes these emotional, sappy songs and he finds himself crying at a sad Hamilton song. After Life as We Know It, the band releases a greatest hits album called The Hits, and then that's it for Gary Richrath. Out of the band. Alan Gratzer, founding drummer, also leaves the band. They are replaced by Dave Amato and Bryan Hitt, respectively.
01:35:00 The lineup of Cronin, Hall, Hitt, Amato, and Doughty has been the lineup ever since. And the first album that the lineup released in 1990 is called.... wait for it.... The Earth, a Small Man, His Dog and a Chicken. Spoiler alert: The 90s are not as kind to REO Speedwagon as the 80s were. Pat plays a song called "Half Way". This is the last album to have an REO Speedwagon song chart on the Billboard Hot 100.
Six years later, the band releases Building the Bridge. Epic Records has finally dropped them. Pat plays a song called "When I Get Home". Brian has been off the REO train for quite some time at this point.
01:40:00 The last REO Speedwagon to date is 2007's Find Your Own Way Home. Pat plays a song called "Dangerous Combination". A country feel. A little talk-singing from Kevin. The album is on Mailboat Records. Not good for the Brothers Speedwagon. Pat has some copies of Brian's standup CDs that Brian will sign and will be given away to some lucky listeners.
01:45:00 A couple of Brian plugs: You can find him on Twitter @BrianNoonanShow. He's also on Facebook at Brian Noonan Show.
Thanks so much to Brian for coming on. Brian is thankful for being on the show and expressing his love and knowledge for REO Speedwagon. We end the show with another pick from Brian's favorite Live: You Get What You Play For (no, it's not "Golden Country"). It's an instrumental called "Flying Turkey Trot".
Time Song Album Artist Who
00:15:00 Sophisticated Lady R.E.O. Speedwagon REO Speedwagon Pat
00:20:00 Music Man R.E.O./T.W.O. REO Speedwagon Brian
00:25:00 Golden Country (Live) Live: You Get What You Play For REO Speedwagon Brian
00:25:00 Son of a Poor Man The Essential REO Speedwagon REO Speedwagon Pat
00:30:00 Keep Pushin’ R.E.O. REO Speedwagon Brian
00:30:00 (I Believe) Our Time Is Gonna Come R.E.O. REO Speedwagon Pat
00:50:00 Blazin’ Your Own Trail Again You Can Tune a Piano, but You Can’t Tuna Fish REO Speedwagon Pat
00:55:00 Say You Love Me or Say Goodnight You Can Tune a Piano, but You Can’t Tuna Fish REO Speedwagon Brian
01:00:00 Back on the Road Again Nine Lives REO Speedwagon Brian
01:05:00 Heavy on Your Love Nine Lives REO Speedwagon Pat
01:05:00 Only the Strong Survive Nine Lives REO Speedwagon Brian
01:10:00 Tough Guys Hi Infidelity REO Speedwagon Brian
01:15:00 Don’t Let Him Go Hi Infidelity REO Speedwagon Pat
01:20:00 Keep the Fire Burnin’ Good Trouble REO Speedwagon Pat
01:20:00 The Key Good Trouble REO Speedwagon Pat
01:20:00 Live Every Moment Wheels Are Turnin’ REO Speedwagon Pat
01:25:00 That Ain’t Love Life as We Know It REO Speedwagon Pat
01:35:00 Half Way The Earth, a Small Man, His Dog and a Chicken REO Speedwagon Pat
01:35:00 When I Get Home Building a Bridge REO Speedwagon Pat
01:40:00 Dangerous Combination Find Your Own Way Home REO Speedwagon Pat
01:45:00 Flying Turkey Trot (Live) Live: You Get What You Play For REO Speedwagon Brian

Episode 259: Title Fight: Round 3



Episode 259: Title Fight: Round 3
It's time to enter the ring once again as Pat and Mike play different songs with the same title. Find out which songs can go the distance and which songs get punched through the ropes!
From June 30, 2016

With your hosts:

Pat Francis

Mike Siegel

00:00:00 Pat, Mike, and Kyle welcome us to the show. We start off talking about cameras before getting into some Rock Solid business. The rotation of Rock Solid co-hosts has become a bit inconsistent lately, what with the standup and the Modern Family and the traveling. Mike is finally back on the show after a few months of Siegel Silence and we're happy he's here. He discusses the Hard and Heavy show that Pat and Kyle did and compliments them for showing the melodic side of screaming death metal.
00:05:00 Now that Mike is back in the hot seat, we get the chance to delve into a couple things, the first of which is

Here's the deal: Pat sometimes writes reviews for Pop Culture Beast and he'll get CDs from bands that he's never heard of. So we're gonna hear some songs with completely fresh ears. Today's album is California King by Crown Jwlz. And that's not a band, that's a lady. Mike studies the album cover and is quite entranced by its gaudiness and hip-hop appeal. Meanwhile Pat tweets at her and she likes, retweets, and follows back seven seconds later.
00:10:00
  • "California King" -- The boys were expecting Nicki Minaj, but it sounds more like Pink. Not bad at all.
  • "Cool" -- Again, more rocker than hip hopper. The guys consider the gaudy album cover a disservice to the music. "Everything about this is shit except for the product," says Pat.
  • "Party Past the Sunrise" -- "Alright Crown Jwlz, you won me over," admits Mike.
00:15:00
  • "Without U" -- Crown Jwlz's EP is now Rock Solid approved and Pat sends out another tweet to seal the deal.
Crown Jwlz is now following Kyle. Everyone celebrates.
Alright, the pre-show is over and now it's time for the actual pay-per-view. LIVE FROM ROCK SOLID STUDIOS IN BEAUTIFUL LOS ANGELES, IT'S TIME FOR

Pat and Mike will each play two songs with the same title. The other co-host and Kyle will decide which song is better. The co-host who played the song will be the deciding vote. Now let's get it on!
00:20:00 Mike kicks things off with our opening contest.

Pat and Mike agree that Dirty Work is the worst Rolling Stones album, and yet.... Jimmy Pardo LOVES it. Wants to bathe in it, even. Pat and Kyle both go with Steely Dan. Mike would have gone with them as well.
Pat picks the second battle, and it's a two-on-one handicap match between a pair of lovely ladies and a Canadian multi-tasker.

BREAKING CROWN JWLZ NEWS! She has responded on Twitter again and is all smiles about being mentioned on the podcast. Mike is now a fan, she's won him over!
00:25:00 So it's a battle between hard rock 70s vs. cheesy 80s. Kyle goes with Aldo Nova, Mike goes with Heart. Pat breaks the tie for the Seattle siblings.

Pat and the gang briefly discuss the whereabouts of Aldo Nova.
Mike changes things up early with a huge THREE-WAY DANCE!!!
00:30:00 This is a three-way battle between two soulful souls and a lady who's "bringing an axe," as Mike describes her. This is a tough one, but Pat and Kyle go with Blondie because it's right in their wheelhouse.

MORE CROWN JWLZ NEWS! "She's getting more air time than anyone on this show," says Mike. She wants to know when she can hear the podcast. Pat tells her when the episode drops, but doesn't give any links to the ACTUAL PODCAST! "She'll find it," Pat reassures.
00:35:00 A huge match coming up next between two legendary rock icons.

Pat and Kyle agree that Flick of the Switch is a good album, but wish that Mutt Lange had produced it. Mike goes with Bruce, as does Kyle.
Mike decides to lower the manliness of the podcast by about sixty percent.
00:40:00 "Orleans comes out, swinging weakly," commentates Mike. But it seems that Mr. Brown has a glass jaw because Pat and Kyle give it to the band.
Pat's next bout is another big icon vs. icon fight.

This is a straight up knockout for Prince.
"The only way Prince loses this is if he's fighting The Clash in an elevator."
- Pat

"Last month."
- Mike

Awwwwww, poor little guy. But he'll rock in peace knowing he's a winner.
00:45:00 Up next on this huge card comes to us a match simulcast from Arena Mexico.

Pat y Kyle escogen los luchadores Los Lobos. Ellos son los ganadores.
For Pat's next fight, we see the return of a previous fighter!
00:50:00 "Nobody is keeping Aldo Nova alive like you are," compliments Mike. Mike goes with Loggins, Kyle picks Aldo Nova, while Pat breaks the tie and gives it to the bearded dynamo.

While Pat might be feeling a little loopy, Mike is jolted. He brought along a diet energy drink that an Air BnB heroin addict left behind in Mike's house. True story.
Mike injects some groove into tonight's proceedings:
00:55:00 Sam Cooke's smooth ways earn him the victory as Pat and Kyle go with him.
Survivor Series has come a little early this year as we've got a HUGE elimination tag match.

Mike goes with his hometown boys from Chicago, Styx. Kyle doesn't like the intro to Styx's song, but once it kicks in he likes it. So the fight goes to Styx.
We have quite the mismatch for this next battle from Mike Siegel
01:00:00 It seems that this one is a downright slaughter. Kyle quotes the movie Grandma's Boy: "This is like if Tyson fought an infant."
Now this next one from Pat Francis is just not fair because one of the band has a very big disadvantage: Their drummer is missing an arm!

Pat remembers seeing the video for Def Leppard's "Women" on MTV. It was the first time Rick Allen was videoed without his arm. He went and told his mom Mama Francis, who simply uttered "Oh, isn't that something" and went back to her smokes. Pat had a charmed childhood.
01:05:00 Mike goes with Foreigner, possibly because they have more arms. Kyle picks Def Leppard. Pat is just distraught, he can hardly decide, but he ultimately ends up going with Foreigner as well.
We decide to have a bit of a breather. In pro wrestling, this is what's known as a buffer match.

John Denver may be "sorry for the way things are in China," but that will not help him in this fight. Pat and Kyle give it to former Rock Solid guest Marshall Crenshaw.
"Did [John Denver] write his own songs?"
- Pat
"Yeah. Flew his own planes too.... not very well."
- Kyle, with a brutal line of the episode.
01:10:00 The trio discuss real artists' names before diving into Pat's next match. And you better strap in for this one.
01:15:00 Pat reiterates his dislike for the Aerosmith album. There are 18 songs on it. "18 songs too thin," says Mike. Pat just wants one last 10 song Aerosmith album written by the band and produced by Jack Douglas. He isn't gonna get it, he sighs. Pat is also disappointed with the new Cheap Trick. So is Kyle. There is no flow, no big hooks or catchy choruses. It's fine, but there is nothing to catch on to. But more importantly, ALDO NOVA IS BACK FOR A THIRD GODDAMN TIME! The guy is pulling a Mick Foley at the 1998 Royal Rumble.
01:20:00 This isn't a battle between two good songs. It's a battle between which songs sucks less. Kyle gives it to Aerosmith simply because of the Carrie Underwood verse. Mike gives it to Aerosmith as well.

Some more Dodson family stories. Pat's brother/Kyle's dad Kirk was talking with Kyle about who he considers a celebrity. Kirk doesn't think Bret Michaels is a celebrity because a celebrity is someone who you should recognize instantly. "It's Bret Michaels, you can see him coming a mile away!" says Mike. "He's wearing three hats!" agrees Pat. Mike saw Poison, Dokken, and Skid Row play in Nashville. He got in line just to see if he could score a cheap ticket. The guy in front of him got to talking, it turns out he had an extra near-front row ticket and a backstage pass. Score one for Mike Siegel. Pat's been doing that Greatest Hits show for ABC, which Bret Michaels is on. He's the nicest guy, and he's the only artist to nail the first take at rehearsals and the shows.
01:25:00 Mike's got a chick fight.

Linda Ronstadt has her history with the Eagles, and Don Henley shows up in the Sheryl Crow song. The man is inescapable.
01:30:00 Pat asks a question: In their prime, who would you do the dirty with? Linda or Sheryl? Mike goes with Rondstadt all the way. Pat says Sheryl Crow is still keeping it together, but Mike counters that Linda had some medical problems with the MS. How about this: prime Linda or prime Stevie Nicks? Another tough one. Stevie might win it. As for the title fight, no one officially says it, but I'm going to infer that this one goes to Linda.
The next bout can't be settled in a regular match. We're taking this one to the steel cage!

Pat cannot find ANYONE who likes Bon Jovi as much as he likes Bon Jovi.
01:35:00 The awful movie version of Rock of Ages gets brought up. It's not a good movie. At all. Thankfully that conversation is brief. Mike and Kyle go with the older, craftier veteran Alice Cooper for the victory.

We're nearing the end of the pay-per-view. The people love when Siegel is on, but the night must end eventually.
01:40:00 It's a big synthesizer battle for Mike as two sets of sibling bands clash.

Pat and Kyle give the unanimous decision to the brothers VH.

Pat attempts to bring in "Jump" by Loverboy as a late entrant, but they are immediately disqualified for their illegal use of hot pants. More Kirk Dodson talk: David Lee Roth is known to him as "the gigolo" and he does not consider Brad Pitt a movie star. Now that Yaphet Kotto, on the other hand...
01:45:00 Pat's next bout features two bands that both soared to huge heights in the 80s. But only one can win!

And now Crown Jwlz has tagged Rock Solid on Instagram! My goodness, this lady could be the next co-host with the amount of love she's sending the podcast! Mike gives it to Genesis, while Kyle says he "doesn't remember the first song played" (even though it was TWO MINUTES prior), so he gives it to Toto. Pat breaks the tie for his boys in Toto.
01:50:00 Mike's second-to-last fight heads to the ring.

"That's Red Box, guys."
- Mike

"That sucks."
- Pat

Good heavens, this was a quicker fight than Bundy-Jones at WrestleMania I.
01:55:00 Pat's last pick is quite special because it's a REMATCH OF HIS FIRST ONE!

"You son of a bitch," says Mike. "I'm gonna bust this bottle over your head." But despite pulling a Whitesnake from Title Fight Round 2, Aldo Nova's tenacious spirit has apparently won over Mike because he gives him the nod. Kyle agrees and finally, FINALLY, Aldo Nova wins a match. He's our Tomoaki Honma.

Pat admits he could have done ten Aldo Nova songs because the titles are so generic.
It is now time....... for the MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN EVENT!
02:00:00 Lou has broken off from his stable and gone solo. Some facts about Gramm's "Midnight Blue:" R.E.M. used to do a cover of it. Foreigner also rejected it when Lou brought it to them. But it's a bright day for one Lou Gramm as he is declared the winner of tonight's main event.
02:05:00 We go through the usual plugs. The new website is still in development, thanks to Kyle for all the hard work on that. As for the closing song, well, heh... there's only way we're ending this bad boy. It's our girl, our champion, our new found hero Crown Jwlz with "Make It Back" off her EP California King.
Time Song Movie Artist Who
00:10:00 California King California King Crown Jwlz Mike (First Listen)
00:10:00 Cool California King Crown Jwlz Kyle (First Listen)
00:10:00 Party Past the Sunrise California King Crown Jwlz Pat (First Listen)
00:15:00 Without U California King Crown Jwlz Kyle (First Listen)
00:20:00 Dirty Work Dirty Work The Rolling Stones Mike
00:20:00 Dirty Work Can’t Buy a Thrill Steely Dan Mike
00:20:00 Heartless Magazine Heart Pat
00:25:00 Heartless Twitch Aldo Nova Pat
00:25:00 Call Me Call Me Al Green Mike
00:30:00 Call Me This Girl’s in Love with You Aretha Franklin Mike
00:30:00 Call Me American Gigolo Soundtrack Blondie Mike
00:35:00 Badlands Darkness on the Edge of Town Bruce Springsteen Pat
00:35:00 Badlands Flick of the Switch AC/DC Pat
00:35:00 Dance with Me Let There Be Music Orleans Mike
00:35:00 Dance with Me A Fantasy Love Affair Peter Brown Mike
00:40:00 Let’s Go Crazy Purple Rain Prince Pat
00:40:00 Let’s Go Crazy Sandinista! The Clash Pat
00:45:00 Don’t Worry Baby B.J. Thomas B.J. Thomas Mike
00:45:00 Don’t Worry Baby How Will the Wolf Survive? Los Lobos Mike
00:45:00 Heart to Heart High Adventure Kenny Loggins Pat
00:50:00 Heart to Heart Aldo Nova Aldo Nova Pat
00:50:00 Good Times Risque Chic Mike
00:50:00 Good Times Portrait of a Legend: 1951-1964 Sam Cooke Mike
00:55:00 Renegade Pieces of Eight Styx Pat
00:55:00 Renegade Renegade Thin Lizzy Pat
00:55:00 Breakout There Is Nothing Left to Lose The Foo Fighters Mike
01:00:00 Breakout It’s Better to Travel Swing Out Sister Mike
01:00:00 Women Hysteria Def Leppard Pat
01:05:00 Women Head Games Foreigner Pat
01:05:00 I’m Sorry Windsong John Denver Mike
01:05:00 I’m Sorry (But So Is Brenda Lee) Downtown Marshall Crenshaw Mike
01:10:00 Can’t Stop Lovin’ You Music from Another Dimension! Aerosmith feat. Carrie Underwood Pat
01:15:00 Can’t Stop Lovin’ You Aldo Nova Aldo Nova Pat
01:25:00 It’s So Easy Simple Dreams Linda Ronstadt Mike
01:25:00 It’s So Easy C’mon, C’mon Sheryl Crow Mike
01:30:00 Novocaine Have a Nice Day Bon Jovi Pat
01:35:00 Novocaine The Eyes of Alice Cooper Alice Cooper Pat
01:40:00 Jump 1984 Van Halen Mike
01:40:00 Jump (for My Love) Break Out The Pointer Sisters Mike
01:45:00 Mama Genesis Genesis Pat
01:45:00 Mama Hydra Toto Pat
01:50:00 Lean on Me Still Bill Bill Withers Mike
01:50:00 Lean on Me The Circle & the Square Red Box Mike
01:55:00 If Looks Could Kill Heart Heart Pat
01:55:00 If Looks Could Kill Twitch Aldo Nova Pat
01:55:00 Midnight Blue Melissa Melissa Manchester Mike
02:00:00 Midnight Blue Ready or Not Lou Gramm Mike
02:05:00 Make It Back California King Crown Jwlz Kyle

Episode 258: Party Of One



Episode 258: Party Of One
Pat and Kyle are joined by Humorist Dave Holmes to discuss his upcoming memoir "Party Of One."
From June 23, 2016

With your host:

Pat Francis


00:00:00 Pat and Kyle welcome us to the show. It's another week here on Rock Solid and it's another guest filling in as a co-host. Please welcome the very funny, very talented Dave Holmes! Dave has a new book coming out called Party of One, available in hard copy, Kindle, and audiobook, narrated by Dave himself. He recorded it in his home studio over the course of a few weeks. Of course he was beholden to all sorts of outsides noises: airplanes, barking dogs, the laughter of a precocious child on a summer's day. Nuisances, all of them. Pat heaps praise upon Dave's new book, he loves it!
00:05:00 Pat and Dave were supposed to record on Sunday, the 12th. But then the Orlando massacre happened. Pat's daughter and her friends had plans to go to the LA Pride parade, but those plans were ultimately nixed. Dave worries that he's become too numb to these kinds of tragic events. So say we all.
00:10:00 Dave writes for Esquire. As a gay man, he felt that he needed to write something about Orlando. He also went to the parade. People were having fun, but it was a little more somber. On the East Side, people were taking up collections. It's a scary thing for Pat and Dave that some guy can just get an assault rifle and mow down a huge group of people. Dave says it's odd that the shooting happened during his "gayest summer ever." He's entered a stage where he's much more comfortable with his homosexuality, so he's going out and just painting the town rainbow. He's telling his story and being as open with his gayness as possible. "Everyone should have their gayest summer ever," posits Dave.
00:15:00 Dave talks about his "second wind" as a gay guy. He feels like he's an adolescent again with this renewed energy. He also hopes that the gay community can rebuild and be stronger than ever. Pat decided to write letters to his senators. And he wants the high profile celebrity people to actually use their fan base to help, rather than just offering "thoughts and prayers."
00:20:00 Serious business to start the pod, but it's all related to Dave and his life. Going back to Party of One, the subtitle of the book is "A Memoir in 21 Songs" and each chapter starts with a song title. We're gonna see how many songs we hear. The first one is "Go Your Own Way" by Fleetwood Mac, from the album Rumours. Sometimes the chapters are about the songs, sometimes the titles just illuminate the themes. "Go Your Own Way" is about Dave growing up as a kid--small town, sports, Catholic family--with a strong interest in pop culture and the seed of knowledge that he preferred the company of boys rather than girls.
00:25:00 Pat likes how his daughters are more concerned with the issues of the day than he was when he was a kid. Perhaps it's time and place, perhaps it's social media. Kids these days with their Friendster and their Google Plus. Dave is excited about people reading the book. He just can't believe that this is all happening. It took him about a year to write it. Dave credits going away from his boyfriend and dog for a couple times and just doing nothing but writing. Change your surroundings, be around strangers, and you will be inspired. Oh, and the panic helps too. The crippling, dreadful PANIC of an editor's deadline.
00:30:00 Chapter Two: "Hungry Heart" by Bruce Springsteen off the album The River. The River was Pat's introduction to Bruce. "Do you have any brothers?" asks Dave. Oh yes. Pat tells Dave all about Kirk Dodson and his musical tastes: Perry Como, Andy Williams, etc. He is an old soul, that Good Brother Kirk. Dave asks because the chapter is about how Dave would listen to his older brothers' albums and get into music through them. They revered Springsteen.
We turn the page to Chapter Three, "Let's Go Crazy" by Prince. Dave fears that he was the one who called the demise of Prince because he was at a David Bowie dance party (hosted by our own April Richardson) and he mused that some day Prince will die.
00:35:00 Just weeks later, there was a Prince dance party. "Let's Go Crazy" is about Dave's experiences in junior high school.
"You went to an all boys school."
- Pat

"I did."
- Dave

"That's like a candy store."
- Pat

It was an all boys Catholic school with everyone dressed in a suit and tie. That said, Angus Young does NOTHING to stir Dave's loins. Pat tells a story about a school friend who had a very pretty girlfriend (and later wife). He also liked to wear purple robes and give himself facials. Very fashionable. Years later, the friend wrote to Pat that he was gay and getting a divorce. But Pat didn't think a thing of it back in school. He had no idea! Dave agrees, it was the 80s. You could get away with anything! Boy George, George Michael. Even Prince. Nobody said anything.
00:40:00 Speaking of George Michael, we move on to Chapter Four, "The Edge of Heaven" by Wham! from the album Music from the Edge of Heaven. The summer of '86, right in the middle of high school.
Here comes Chapter Five, "Drifting Falling" by The Ocean Blue from their self-titled album. This chapter is about Dave's disastrous college experience. Dave knew what he wanted to be, what he wanted to do, but he still felt the urge to be a "normal guy" with a "normal job." He wanted to write and create, but he had no direction or wisdom towards that. In regards to being the good student, Dave admits he "Max Fischer'd" it and then crashed and burned. Pat agrees, he just wasn't made for it.
00:45:00 Chapter Six is "Everybody Loves Me but You" by Brenda Lee. Dave's first boyfriend: Another misstep. Dave appreciates these missteps in his life because they gave him material for the book. Have his parents read the book? Yes they have. They were fine with it, although they were a little worried about what the neighbors would think of the sex and drugs (of which there are actually very few stories in the book). Dave talked it out with them and it was very cathartic.
00:50:00 Dave talks a bit about his family and their acceptance of his homosexuality. Times are certainly changing. We inject a bit of girl power into the mix with Chapter Seven: "Free Your Mind" by En Vogue off the album Funky Divas. Pat got to see En Vogue perform as part of a show he's working on and they sound great.
00:55:00 "Free Your Mind" is around the time when Dave comes out as gay. His goal was to write a humorous book, even though there are some sad stories in it. Pat wonders what Dave refers to himself as? An actor? Writer? Comic? Dave himself doesn't know because he does a lot of things. Right now he calls himself a writer and comic. Pat suggests "humorist."
Pat jumps ahead to Chapter Twelve: "Wannabe" by Spice Girls off the album Spice.
01:00:00 Pat loved MTV so much. He lists off the various VJs like Kevin Seal and Adam Curry. Pat and Dave lament the loss of MTV as the hub for music news and music videos. Dave recalls when the turn was made to have shows that had a beginning, middle, and end, shows which could generate ratings.
01:05:00 In 1998, MTV put out the call for new VJs. Dave felt like this was his chance to break out. Wanna Be a VJ was the name of the show. He got in line early because he knew the MTV people would get sick of faces after a little while. At the very least, he wanted to be at MTV. He did not win the competition, but he ultimately ended up as a "winner."
"You were like Clay Aiken in this whole thing."
- Pat

"In so many ways."
- Dave, with the line of the episode
01:10:00 Although he lost, Dave kept at it. He got a writing job and these shows got picked up and he was at MTV for a while. The man who did win was Jesse Camp. EVERYONE asks Dave about Jesse Camp. How does one describe Jesse? He looked like a laid-back pseudo-punk rocker, was a bit spaced-out, but Dave says he was a very nice kid. Jesse did not last that long. Dave, meanwhile, did all kinds of stuff at MTV, including on-air stuff like MTV Spring Break. A bunch of drunk college kids on a beach in Cancun with TV cameras around them? Boy, what fun!
01:15:00 Dave expected a party. And the party was there, but so was work. And belligerent teenagers with whistles. A story in Dave's book relates about one particular go-getter of a girl who decided to "go the extra mile" in a couples dance contest. With her mouth. Think about it. My goodness. Pat turns the page to Chapter Fifteen: "Unpretty" by TLC off the album FanMail. Dave has some stories about Mark Wahlberg, Kid Rock, Tara Reid, Puff Daddy. He didn't want to write a tell-all, but he's got stories.
01:20:00 Dave was at MTV for four years. He understood that he had a shelf life at MTV, so he decided to leave on his own terms and live in LA. Up next is Chapter Seventeen, "Any Little Town" by The Push Stars off the album After the Party. Dave was in New York during September 11. He slept through it. Dave had come home real early in the morning and just slept. Then he woke up in the afternoon and beheld what happened.
01:25:00 From the apartment, he and his roommates had a view. Dave describes it as "a dome of dust and smoke." It was all quite jarring. In the aftermath, they just roamed the city and took it all in. Pat skips ahead a few more chapters and lands on Chapter Twenty: "Losing My Edge" by LCD Soundsystem off their self-titled album.
01:30:00 "Losing My Edge" is about Dave's realization that he had lost touch with the current dealings of music. The Strokes--the whole band--walked by him and he didn't know who they were. Pat lets his daughter Sara play some of her music in the car and it's all a bunch of bands he's never heard of. He calls it refreshing. The show that Pat is working on is Greatest Hits on ABC, where classic and contemporary artists team up to sing hit songs. Dave credits The Hold Steady for keeping him current.
01:35:00 Some friendly plugs: You can find him on Twitter @DaveHolmes. Dave's book Party of One: A Memoir in 21 Songs is available everywhere on JUNE 28 for your reading pleasure. There is also a special website for the book at DaveHolmesParty.com
Thank you very much to Dave Holmes for being here. Funny man, smart man, kind man, author man. Pat takes us out with a very special song. In the aftermath of the Orlando shooting, former guest Melissa Etheridge wrote and released a song called "Pulse" as a tribute to the victims. The proceeds of the song are being donated to Equality Florida. Pat plays the song in its entirety to close the show.
Time Song Album Artist Who
00:20:00 Go Your Own Way Rumours Fleetwood Mac Pat
00:30:00 Hungry Heart The River Bruce Springsteen Pat
00:40:00 The Edge of Heaven Music from the Edge of Heaven Wham! Pat
00:40:00 Drifting Falling The Ocean Blue The Ocean Blue Pat
00:50:00 Free Your Mind Funky Divas En Vogue Pat
00:55:00 Wannabe Spice Spice Girls Pat
01:15:00 Unpretty FanMail TLC Pat
01:20:00 Any Little Town After the Party The Push Stars Pat
01:25:00 Losing My Edge LCD Soundsystem LCD Soundsystem Pat
01:35:00 Pulse Single Melissa Etheridge Pat

Episode 257: Songs About Girls



Episode 257: Songs About Girls
Pat and April play their favorite songs which feature girls' names in the title. It's just that simple and fun too!
From June 16, 2016

With your hosts:

Pat Francis

April Richardson


00:00:00 Pat, April, and Kyle welcome us to the show. The gang start off this episode with some TV talk. April has rarely seen an episode of Friends (!) or Seinfeld (!!!). What were her shows? Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Melrose Place, 90210 (the original). April has also never watched Breaking Bad. She's seen a couple of scenes, but they were too gruesome for her. She can't handle the violence. And forget Game of Thrones because wizardry and "renaissance fair" shenanigans are not in her wheelhouse. Does she like any fantasy? Not really.
00:05:00 Pat and April aren't into the fiction books. April, much like Johnny Five, needs input; real people, real facts. More TV talk: Pat and April both agree that Veep and Silicon Valley are great shows with funny people on it. But enough about the boob tube, let's get into music. Pat suggested some possible topics to April, one of them being an all Garth Brooks episode. But April doesn't want to be blamed for all of the listeners unsubscribing from the podcast at once.
00:10:00 Pat is the only person in April's social circle who also likes Garth Brooks. Kyle mistakenly brings up Chris Gaines.
"Don't bring up Chris Gaines. That never happened. I Eternal Sunshine'd Chris Gaines out of my head."
- April

"Would you do an only Chris Gaines episode?"
- Kyle

"He didn't exist. I don't know what you're talking about."
- April

What is April's favorite TV show ever? Mr. Show. She got to go to a taping for the revival With Bob and David. Then the conversation turns to Love on Netflix. April doesn't like when a TV show has no likable character. And not likable like "smiles and rainbows," likable as in "this person is tolerable to hang out with." TV Solid strikes again, urgh! Damn you new golden age of television. Damn you!!!
Alright! Now let's get into the music. Today's topic is round two of a topic that was done ALLLLLLLLL the way back near the beginning of the podcast. It's songs with girl names in the title. Pat decided to take the extreme route and pick songs with ONLY the girl's name in the title. No "Ruby Tuesday" or "Proud Mary."
00:15:00 Pat starts us off with Marshall Crenshaw. Off the album Good Evening, the song is "Valerie".
April's first pick is from Pulp head honcho Jarvis Cocker. Off the album Further Complications, it's "Angela".
What do you call a female Ramone? Simple: "Ramona" by Ramones from the album Rocket to Russia.
Speaking of Ramones, April's next pick name checks Joey Ramone. Off the album It's My Club and I'll Play Want I Want To, it's "Debbie Loves Joey" by Helen Love.
00:20:00 Going right along, Pat's next pick is by Stevie Nicks. This is "Greta" off the album Street Angel. Pat and April both seem to enjoy the songs and albums that do not get love.
April was listening to Prince all day long when he died. Here's an obvious one: "Darling Nikki" off of Purple Rain.
00:25:00 Pat and April discuss the death of Prince. Prince always looked healthy, he was a vegan. April woke up to a text from Dave Holmes and then she didn't want to get out of bed. April saw him four times and they were the best four concerts she'd ever seen in her life. Super talented, prolific. April describes him and Bowie as being for everyone. They were weird, but also acceptable at the same time. Purple Rain was this avenue into a sexual world that April just didn't know about.
00:30:00 We go from Prince to Billy Idol. Off the album Devil's Playground, the song is called "Cherie".
Up next for April are those Seattle grunge gods, Nirvana. It's "Polly" off the album Nevermind. Kyle brings up the documentary "Soaked in Bleach." April thinks it was Courtney who pulled the trigger and sent Kurt to the great gig in the sky. They discuss the science behind it. "Heroin must be great," wonders Pat. April intends to do all the drugs when she's 80 and has no more life left to live. Horse, crank, paint, acid. She'll even toss in one of those Warhead candies and YOU KNOW the damage those can do.
00:35:00 We go from the mumble and bumble of grunge to the peppy steps of The Four Seasons. The song is "Marlena" off the album Golden Hits of the Four Seasons. Pat and Pardo saw Frankie Valli a little while ago and he lip syncs about 95% of the show. And he barely opens his mouth too, it's sad. Kyle surmises that all the old people in the crowd don't even notice.
April goes a similar route and heads old school with her boy Elvis Presley. Off the album ELV1S: 30 #1 Hits, it's "(Marie's the Name) His Latest Flame". April does love Elvis' fondness for girls with black hair. "That always made me feel better as a kid growing up looking like Wednesday Adams."
00:40:00 Pat and April discuss last names. April used her husband's last name when she got married, but when they split, she went right back to Richardson. She intends to keep it as such for the remainder of her days. April has a brand to maintain, after all. The next song for Pat was written about actress Theresa Russell. It was going to be called "Theresa," but when it came time to record, it was changed to "Athena" by The Who from the album It's Hard. Roger Daltrey HATES the song, so it never gets played.
The next song for April is by a band called Larrikin Love. The song is called "Happy as Annie" off the album The Freedom Spark.
00:45:00 April mentioned Dave Holmes earlier. Dave will be on an upcoming episode talking about his new memoir. April calls him her favorite writer. She and Dave hosted a Prince dance party. But what about Rick Springfield? Would a dance party be thrown in HIS honor? Probably by Pat. Pat plays "Kristina" off the album Success Hasn't Spoiled Me Yet.
00:50:00 Kyle brings up an episode of The Eric Andre Show where Rick Springfield is tied to a dolly and screaming for help. Even as the band is playing a song, Rick is just screaming for someone to help him. April and Kyle bond over their love for Eric Andre and his insane antics. April then plays "The Best of Jill Hives" by Guided by Voices off the album Earthquake Glue.
Out of all of Pat's songs today, this is his favorite on the list. Off the album In Dreams: The Greatest Hits, it's "Claudette" by Roy Orbison. Pat is baffled that his wife Pilar loves Chris Isaak, but she doesn't like Roy Orbison. "Because she doesn't want to bang Roy Orbison," answers April. Well then.
00:55:00 April was going to play "Amy" by Elton John, but since she already played it on the Sir Elton episode, she goes with "Sheila, Take a Bow" by The Smiths off the album Louder Than Bombs. Is April's love for Morrissey unconditional? No, she keeps her fandom in check. Not everything he does is great.
Pat follows up The Smiths with the appropriate song "Sheila" by Aerosmith off the album Done with Mirrors.
01:00:00 And then April goes with Morrissey solo with "When Last I Spoke to Carol" from the album Years of Refusal. April would rather have no new Morrissey album than a bad Morrissey album. She was having dinner with Tony Visconti (hold on, let me pick that name up off the floor) and admitted that she would rather have Morrissey retire than go out there at 75 and try to be the dandy fop that he is. She doesn't think this way for every artist, but for some, there is no shame in stopping. Don't get lamed out.
01:05:00 April thought about Morrissey retiring and just being a writer, but then she read his fiction novel and.... hoo boy. It's about a relay team that accidentally kills a demon, and then the demon haunts them. The book takes place in Boston in the 1970s, yet every character talks like Morrissey: A sad Englishman concerned about Margaret Thatcher. She really liked his autobiography, but Morrissey should stay away from fiction.
Pat takes us away from Morrissey and towards the Irish rock of Thin Lizzy. Off the album Fighting, it's "Rosalie".
April unintentionally sounds like Owen Wilson when introducing her next song. It's "Planet Claire" by The B-52's off their self-titled album.
01:10:00 Pat and April discuss The B-52's and their big hits. Pat spills the beans that Chris Isaak might be coming on the show. "Who gets to be the co-host on that show, April Richardson?" asks April, totally nonchalant. Pat also suggests that ABC's Martin Fry might be on the show too, perhaps, maybe. He brings up the new ABC album The Lexicon of Love II, a sequel album to the original.
01:15:00 Pat often gets Fry mixed up with Bryan Ferry. Suave Englishmen in suits, they all look alike. But he would certainly not confuse Fry with anyone in April's next pick, The Cure. She plays "Charlotte Sometimes" from the album Standing on a Beach.
Pat's mom/Kyle's grandma's name is "Lucinda". Pat plays a song of the same name by Jesse Malin off the album Glitter in the Gutter.
01:20:00 The next song for April is by The Bluetones. Off the album Science & Nature, the song is called "Emily's Pine".
No signs of stopping as Pat's next pick is by friend of the show Heather Stewart. The song is "Evelyn" off the album What It Is. Pat had no idea Heather could sing so well, she was always just his friend Heather.
April doesn't mean to bragg (HA HA!! See what I did there? Come on people, let's hear it for the ladies), but her next pick is by her friend Billy Bragg. Off the album England, Half-English, the song is "Another Kind of Judy".
01:25:00 On the way to the show, April was listening to music. What kind of music?
"It was a mix I made for somebody and I was testing it out to make sure it was rad before I gave it to him."
- An actual sentence said by an adult woman in 2016

April burns mixes and plays it in her car to make sure it flows well. And if it's not rad enough, it's back to the edit bay. "You're nuts," utters Pat. Oh, he's kidding. That actually is a smart thing to do, in my opinion. At the very least to make sure the CD doesn't skip.
Pat gives apologies to Blondie, The Monkees, Elvis Costello, and Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. His last pick is "Rosie" by Peter Wolf off the album Long Line.
01:30:00 Pat goes through the usual plugs. If you want to catch April on Facebook, she has a fan page RIGHT HERE. Her private page and the goings-on on it are none of your business, thank you very much. April gets overwhelmed with social media sometimes. There are some not-so-nice people out there.
Let's not dwell on that, let's end with some music. April takes us out with "Louise" by The Human League off the album Hysteria.
Time Song Album Artist Who
00:15:00 Valerie Good Evening Marshall Crenshaw Pat
00:15:00 Angela Further Complications Jarvis Cocker April
00:15:00 Ramona Rocket to Russia Ramones Pat
00:15:00 Debbie Loves Joey It’s My Club and I’ll Play What I Want To Helen Love April
00:20:00 Greta Street Angel Stevie Nicks Pat
00:20:00 Darling Nikki Purple Rain Prince April
00:30:00 Cherie Devil’s Playground Billy Idol Pat
00:30:00 Polly Nevermind Nirvana April
00:35:00 Marlena Golden Hits of the Four Seasons The Four Seasons Pat
00:35:00 (Marie’s the Name) His Latest Flame ELV1S: 30 #1 Hits Elvis Presley April
00:40:00 Athena It’s Hard The Who Pat
00:40:00 Happy as Annie The Freedom Spark Larrikin Love April
00:45:00 Kristina Success Hasn’t Spoiled Me Yet Rick Springfield Pat
00:50:00 The Best of Jill Hives Earthquake Glue Guided by Voices April
00:50:00 Claudette In Dreams: The Greatest Hits Roy Orbison Pat
00:55:00 Sheila Take a Bow Louder Than Bombs The Smiths April
00:55:00 Shela Done with Mirrors Aerosmith Pat
01:00:00 When Last I Spoke to Carol Years of Refusal Morrissey April
01:05:00 Rosalie Fighting Thin Lizzy Pat
01:05:00 Planet Claire The B-52’s The B-52’s April
01:15:00 Charlotte Sometimes Standing on a Beach The Cure April
01:15:00 Lucinda Glitter in the Gutter Jesse Malin Pat
01:20:00 Emily’s Pine Science & Nature The Bluetones April
01:20:00 Evelyn What It Is Heather Stewart Pat
01:20:00 Another Kind of Judy England, Half-English Billy Bragg April
01:25:00 Rosie Long Line Peter Wolf Pat
01:30:00 Louise Hysteria The Human League April

Episode 256: Shuffle, Repeat



Episode 256: Shuffle, Refeat
Pat and Kyle are joined by author and television writer Jen Klein to discuss her new YA novel "Shuffle, Repeat."
From June 9, 2016

With your host:

Pat Francis


00:00:00 Pat and Kyle welcome us to the show. This week features a special guest by the name of Jen Klein. She is a writer of both young adult novels AND she is a staff writer on a little show called Grey's Anatomy. Pat and Jen became friends when their kids went to the same preschool. Jen has also written a lot for animated shows like Bratz, Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Astroblast!, ToddWorld, and others.
00:05:00 Jen's first YA book Jillian Cade, (Fake) Paranormal Investigator was released last year and this year, she is releasing her second YA book Shuffle, Repeat, which is why Jen is here on Rock Solid. Someone else who is close to being on Rock Solid is Rick Springfield, whom Pat has wanted to get in here since forever.
00:10:00 Before we delve into Jen's new book and related music and such, it's time for Jen to be introduced to

Here's the deal: Pat sometimes writes reviews for Pop Culture Beast and he'll get CDs from bands that he's never heard of. So we're gonna hear some songs with completely fresh ears. Today's album is Allies by Jamie Kime, who is part of Dweezil Zappa's Zappa Plays Zappa band.
  • "Pelt" -- It's an instrumental track. And based on Jen's sleuthing skills, the album cover does not have any vocal credits at all. But Pat and Jen liked the groove. Kyle likens it to elevator music.
  • "Bottlerocket" -- Faster-paced, Kyle playing a little air drum. They liked it better than "Pelt."
00:15:00
  • "Philadelphia" -- A lot slower.
  • "Shinebox" -- Another instrumental, it's fine, no big deal.
Overall the album is suitable instrumental rock. It gets a hearty "ok" from the trio. Pat reiterates, once again, that if you want the album, be the first to email him and YOU NEED TO INCLUDE YOUR FULL ADDRESS.
00:20:00 With all that done, Jen tells us about Shuffle, Repeat. The book is about two high school seniors, June and Oliver, who are forced by their mothers to drive to school together every day. They have different philosophies about everything, including music. They end up playing a game where anytime one of them proves their philosophy is right, they can add a song to their shared playlist that they listen to while driving to school. And maybe, just maybe, they might be falling in love as they do it. Maybe. Pat asks Jen how she plans her book. Jen has a document for each book called "Shit that Happens in No Particular Order." It's exactly how it sounds. Little pieces of scenes and character backstory that are patched together to make the story. The final version of the book is rather close to the original vision.
00:25:00 Jen likes how with a book, you have a lot more ownership over it than a movie or TV script. Pat's daughter Sarah actually read the first drafts of both of Jen's books before they even went to the editor. Jen even wrote a dedication to Sarah in Shuffle, Repeat! Awwwwwwwwww. Pat also has five copies of Jen's new book to give away to the listeners, and they've all been beautifully signed by the author herself!
00:30:00 A word of advice from Jen: If you're signing a book or movie poster or something like that, come up with a new signature that is different than your regular signature, so people can't forge it. She is one smart cookie. In the back of the book is the "Sunrise Songs" playlist, which is the playlist of songs that the main characters in Shuffle, Repeat listen to on the way to school. All the songs on the playlist are real, except for one song.
00:35:00 Pat suggests that (fingers crossed) when the book becomes a movie, the studio will contract a musician to write the song for real. But that's all hypothetical, let's focus on the real songs in the here and now. Pat is going to play the real songs that are on the playlist. The first song on the list is by none other than Air Supply. Off their Greatest Hits, it's "Making Love Out of Nothing at All". It was written by Jim Steinman and it COMPLETELY SOUNDS like a Jim Steinman.
00:40:00 Jen picked it because her sister in college had her answering machine message ask the caller about the meaning of the song. Yup. The next song is "Gone Daddy Gone" by Violent Femmes off their self-titled album. It's one of Jen's favorite Violent Femmes and it's an important song for June. No spoilers here. Who are Jen's favorite artists? She has no idea. On the drive over, she was listening to Prozac, the Hamilton soundtrack, The Beatles. It was more shuffle than repeat.
00:45:00 Up next on the playlist is definitely a Pat Francis song. It's "Here I Go Again" by Whitesnake. There are actually THREE different versions of the song and Pat makes it his mission to play a little bit of all three. Seriously. He mainly plays the original from Saints & Sinners, though. Good heavens, it was like Title Fight: Round 2 all over again. Kyle prefers the rock radio version of '87. Pat can't choose. HE JUST CAN'T DECIDE!
00:50:00 Moving on from Coverdale and the boys, Pat plays the next playlist song. Off the album Blah-Blah-Blah, it's Iggy Pop with "Cry for Love". Kyle asks if there were songs that she wanted in the book that Jen couldn't fit in. No, Jen could do what she wanted. Pat gushes that the future movie version of the book already has a soundtrack. Of course there is only room for one version of "Here I Go Again."
00:55:00 What's Jen's writing schedule like? She just wrote in the mornings before work, the evenings after work, and on the weekends. She wrote the first draft in just a few months, all the while still working on Grey's Anatomy. Hollywood Producer Kyle has some predictions. Demi Lovato stars as June and she records the made-up song as the single for the soundtrack. Hollywood Producer Pat chimes in: Richard Dreyfuss as Oliver. I would have gone with a Yaphet Kotto, but to each his own. Pat gushes over the look of the book. He doesn't know what any of the words mean, but the colors and pictures sure are nice. We return to the music with "(I Just) Died in Your Arms" by Cutting Crew off the album Broadcast.
01:00:00 Pat compliments Jen for being able to write a book in three months because if he tried to do it, there would no time for anything else: eating, sleeping, loving his family. Nothing. Jen admits that she is a fast typer. The next song on the playlist is "Heaven" by Warrant off the album Dirty Rotten Filthy Stinking Rich.
Pat plays two punk bands back to back. The first is The Clash with "London Calling" off the album London Calling.
01:05:00 The second is Ramones with "I Wanna Be Sedated" off the album Road to Ruin.
We get another 80s hit with the next song on the playlist. It's "Angel" by Aerosmith off the album Permanent Vacation.
01:10:00 Cruising right along this playlist with a band called Pansy Division. The song is called "Luv Luv Luv" off the album Absurd Pop Song Romance. Pansy Divison is a Queercore punk rock band out of San Francisco. Kyle asks Jen if any of the songs on the playlist are from other people. Some are from her sister.
We've got another Pat Francis Special for you. It's "I'll Be There for You" by Bon Jovi off the album New Jersey.
01:15:00 The next band Pat can barely pronounce. It's Ume with "Chase It Down" off the album Monuments.
Is this a band? Is it a person? Pat wants to know about Alesana. It's a band, says Kyle. And they are right up Kyle's alley being a screamo hardcore metal band. The song is called "This Is Usually the Part Where People Scream" off the album Where Myth Fades to Legend. "That's the kind of bullshit that I like," admits Kyle.
01:20:00 After a brief interruption from Dueling Trumps, Pat plays the next playlist song. Off the album Hysteria, it's "Love Bites" by Def Leppard. In the book, June hates Oliver's music and Oliver despises June's music. Pat somehow brings it back to Richard Dreyfuss in the movie adaption. Somehow his Dreyfuss impression sound like Trump. Good god. The book takes place in Ann Arbor, Michigan where Jen grew up until she was 13.
01:25:00 The next playlist song is Wax Fang with their single "Hearts Are Made for Beating". More Richard Dreyfuss, apparently he meets Susan Sarandon the lunch lady. Don't ask.
Pat used to get driven wild by the album cover of the next song, No Secrets by Carly Simon. Why? Well it's daytime and her brights are on. Pat plays "You're So Vain".
01:30:00 Pat started reading Carly's autobiography in February and he's STILL reading it. He reads, like, a paragraph a week and he forgets what he read. But he doesn't forget the next song, "The Search Is Over" by Survivor off the album Vital Signs.
Jen can be found on Twitter @JenKleinTweets and you can go to her website JenKleinBooks.com.
01:35:00 For some reason, Pat and Kyle will not let this Richard Dreyfuss thing go. Kyle actually saw Dreyfuss speak once. It was essentially an old man rant. Thanks to Jen for coming on the show, talking about her book, signing some books, and putting up with the usual shenanigans. The last playlist song that Pat plays is "Bang Bang (My Baby Shot Me Down)" by Nico Vega off the album Lead to Light.
01:40:00 Some Rock Solid news: Kyle is in the midst of working on a new website for the show! The young gun is tinkering away on the old keyboard. It's gonna be the new home for these recaps and it'll be pretty damn cool. Pat takes us out with the theme song to the podcast, "Song Away" by Hockey off the album Mind Chaos. Thank you again Jen and buy Shuffle, Repeat now people!
Time Song Album Artist Who
00:10:00 Pelt Alleys Jamie Kime Jen (First Listen)
00:10:00 Bottlerocket Alleys Jamie Kime Kyle (First Listen)
00:15:00 Philadelphia Alleys Jamie Kime Pat (First Listen)
00:15:00 Shinebox Alleys Jamie Kime Pat (First Listen)
00:35:00 Making Love Out of Nothing at All Greatest Hits Air Supply Pat
00:40:00 Gone Daddy Gone Violent Femmes Violent Femmes Pat
00:45:00 Here I Go Again Saints & Sinners Whitesnake Pat
00:50:00 Cry for Love Blah-Blah-Blah Iggy Pop Pat
00:55:00 (I Just) Died in Your Arms Broadcast Cutting Crew Pat
01:00:00 Heaven Dirty Rotte Filthy Stinking Rich Warrant Pat
01:00:00 London Calling London Calling The Clash Pat
01:05:00 I Wanna Be Sedated Road to Ruin Ramones Pat
01:05:00 Angel Permanent Vacation Aerosmith Pat
01:10:00 Luv Luv Luv Absurd Pop Song Romance Pansy Division Pat
01:10:00 I’ll Be There for You New Jersey Bon Jovi Pat
01:15:00 Chase It Down Monuments Ume Pat
01:15:00 This Is Usually the Part Where People Scream Where Myth Fades to Legend Alesana Pat
01:20:00 Love Bites Hysteria Def Leppard Pat
01:25:00 Hearts Are Made for Beating Single Wax Fang Pat
01:25:00 You’re So Vain No Secrets Carly Simon Pat
01:30:00 The Search Is Over Vital Signs Survivor Pat
01:35:00 Bang Bang (My Baby Shot Me Down) Lead to Light Nico Vega Pat
01:40:00 Song Away Mind Chaos Hockey Pat

Episode 255: Terri Nunn



Episode 255: Terri Nunn
Pat sits down for a one on one conversation with the lead singer of Berlin, Terri Nunn! Kyle "Artie" Dodson produces.
From June 2, 2016

With your host:

Pat Francis


00:00:00 Pat and Kyle welcome us to the show. Or should I say, Pat and Artie. Because today's guest, lead singer of Berlin, the one and only Terri Nunn, thought Kyle's name was Artie. Beautiful. Terri is not on the first Berlin album because she had temporarily left the band, but she came back into the band for the second album, Pleasure Victim. Pat plays one of the big hits off the album, "The Metro".
00:05:00 Terri is analytical when she listens to her own music; she always thinks of what she could have done differently. Pleasure Victim was a big album for the band and got them on MTV. She felt very lucky because Berlin got signed when MTV started in 1982 and they needed music videos to fill the time. Terri was only 23 at the time. Her parents were very supportive of her success. Terri originally considered signing on to the show Dallas, but decided against it because she wanted to try her hand in music.
00:10:00 If the music career hadn't panned out, Terri was going to be a full-time actress. In fact, Terri auditioned for PRINCESS LEIA IN STAR WARS. Just her and Harrison Ford reading this sci-fi nonsense in a warehouse on deck chairs. Terri is just happy that she ultimately chose the music path. Pat plays "Sex (I'm A...)" off of Pleasure Victim. Pat asks if the record label ever tried to censor the more risque lyrics. The record label didn't, but MTV censored every music video the band ever did. But it was MTV, they were the only game in town.
00:15:00 Pat and Terri are chit-chatting over a bottle of wine. Maybe that's why she thought Kyle's name was Artie. Boy, I'm sure that's never gonna get brought up ever again. Pat lets it slip that he's recording an episode with Mike Siegel--Title Fight 3--and a Prince song gets name dropped. This leads to a story about Terri recording her solo album at Paisley Park. Terri never met a harder working guy than Prince. It was like he never slept or ate, all he did was just record music. And he was in FULL MAKEUP AND STAGE CLOTHES the entire time!
00:20:00 Prince only spoke to Terri on the last day of recording and he also had a girlfriend who wore the exact same clothes as him. Terri ponders whether or not she could have been a bit more open to Prince, maybe that would have made him a bit more talkative as well, but who knows. Pat just finds it amazing that Terri has Prince stories. He plays a song off the solo album Moment of Truth called "Confession Time".
Pat goes back to Pleasure Victim and plays the song "Masquerade".
00:25:00 Pleasure Victim went Platinum. Pat compliments Terri and Berlin for being artists that have longevity. Terri reasons that electronic music has never gone out, so Berlin doesn't sound out of place. When it came time to do the follow up album, Love Life, the pressure was high but they managed to hit it big again. Pat wonders if the band had animosity over Terri being front and center. Terri says of course there was some animosity because everyone wanted to talk to her, the singer, but every band is like that.
00:30:00 Terri says the other guys in the band looked out for her. They may have been swimming in female fans, but they made sure that Terri was protected from the guy fans. In the early days, the Berlin albums were credited solely to John Crawford, but it was Terri and Dave Diamond who also helped write the songs. Terri says they just didn't know that songwriting credits would eventually be so important. Off of Love Life, Pat plays "Now It's My Turn".
00:35:00 Love Life was the first Berlin album on Geffen Records. Terri says that David Geffen was the real deal; he was very smart, very supportive of the band, and true to his word. Pat goes to the listener mailbag for some questions for Terri. One listener asks Terri about doing the US Festival in 1983. It was just a dirt field back then and the crowd went on into the horizon. She was so excited to be able to play on the same bill with bands like US, The Pretenders, David Bowie, Joe Walsh, and Stevie Nicks. Unfortunately she never got to meet those people.
00:40:00 With a crowd that large, Terri played as big as she could. Pat compares that to Mick Jagger. Pat and Terri talk about other legendary rockers like Springsteen and Bonnie Raitt. Terri brings up Grace Slick, whom she interviewed for her radio show. She was a super cool lady. Pat and Terri transition to talking about smoking cigarettes and prescription drugs.
00:45:00 Pat reiterates that he's never done drugs, but he is addicted to those little silver discs they call CD's. Terri questions what Pat's favorite band is. Cheap Trick, of course. Pat asks Terri the same question. For her, it's Pink Floyd and Heart. She just loves Nancy Wilson being a badass with a guitar. Is there a producer Terri would have liked to worked with? Trevor Horn. She also tried to get Roy Thomas Baker for her solo album, but he declined because he didn't like the music. Terri admits that her solo album was all over the place with what it wanted to be.
00:50:00 Pat plays another big Berlin hit, "No More Words" off of Love Life. Which song gets the biggest pop at a live show? "Take My Breath Away," written and produced by Giorgio Mororder (who also produced "No More Words.") Berlin were so excited to work with Giorgio and they were working with him when he got the call for Top Gun. He offered them "Take My Breath Away" for the soundtrack. John Crawford hated it, Terri loved it. IN A ROCK SOLID EXCLUSIVE, Terri admits that the band doesn't play on it. It's basically a Terri Nunn solo song that had the name Berlin slapped on it, and then the song was put on the band's fourth album.
00:55:00 Terri did not sing the song at the Oscars that year, Lou Rawls did. She admits her fault because the Oscars called her and said they were going to do a medley of the songs nominated that year. Terri put her foot down and said "No!" Either she sang the whole song or she wouldn't have sung it at all. And that was that. Pat moves on to the next album, Count Three & Pray. There are a bunch of guitarists on it: Ted Nugent, David Gilmour, Elliot Easton, Kane Roberts. Terri loved working with Uncle Ted, he was a blast. Pat plays the song that Ted plays on, "Trash".
01:00:00 Pat and Terri get into some family talk. She and her husband have been married for fifteen years. Her family stays home, she doesn't take them on the road. There's just a lot of shlepping on the road. Pat plays another song off of Count Three & Pray called "Pink and Velvet", which features David Gilmour.
01:05:00 David would just plug in and play the guitar for twenty minutes at a pop and producer Bob Ezrin would chop it down. Terri was just madly in love with David. Meanwhile Mike Siegel walks in and is flabbergasted at the Rock Solid Exclusive that Terri admitted to earlier. He also laughs heartily at Terri calling Kyle "Artie." After Count Three & Pray, Berlin breaks up. The band was just tired and sick of each other and too young to know that. They were too young to say that they needed a break. Berlin would not become a band again until 2002, but it was not the classic Berlin. It was Terri's version of Berlin. She bought the name from John because he was out of music.
01:10:00 The original band actually got back together on VH1's Bands Reunited. Pat and Jimmy Pardo came on to workshop the show for the pilot, but they got kicked off before it went on the air. It was nice for Terri, John, and the rest to reconnect after so long. She wanted to thank John for giving her and her kids a life. Pat plays a song from the 2002 album Voyeur called "Blink of an Eye". Between the breakup and reemergence of Berlin, Terri just had fun. She did the solo album, got married, moved around, worked with a whole bunch of cool people like Billy Corgan and The Sisters of Mercy.
01:15:00 Pat plays a song from Terri's solo album Moment of Truth that was written by Ric Ocasek. It's called "Fly by Night".
Pat asks Terri what it was like recording their most recent album, Animal, with her in charge. Terri says it was exciting because she loved what everybody brought to it. Her current band members include Dave Schulz from The Goo Goo Dolls and Carlton Bost from Orgy. Pat plays the title track, "Animal".
01:20:00 Terri loudly grunts in approval of the song. She says her co-writer for the song didn't have sex until he was 28, so all that frustration went into the music. Pat knows the story, he didn't get his bones jumped until he was 25. Terri really enjoys working with him.
You can find Terri on Twitter @RealTerriNunn. You can also go to Berlin's website BerlinPage.com. Go there for tour dates and merchandise and other goodies.
01:25:00 Artie reads off some of Berlin's tour dates. They're all over the place, people. Pat thanks Terri for being on the show and being so open and fun. Oh, and thanks for giving us the gift that is "Artie Dodson." Terri drops another Rock Solid Exclusive that there might be a tour with the original Berlin trio. "Holy balls," says Pat. We end the show with "Don't Make Me Regret It" off of Animal.
Time Song Album Artist Who
00:00:00 The Metro Pleasure Victim Berlin Pat
00:10:00 Sex (I’m A…) Pleasure Victim Berlin Pat
00:20:00 Confession Time Moment of Truth Terri Nunn Pat
00:20:00 Masquerade Pleasure Victim Berlin Pat
00:30:00 Now It’s My Turn Love Life Berlin Pat
00:50:00 No More Words Love Life Berlin Pat
00:55:00 Trash Count Three & Pray Berlin Pat
01:00:00 Pink and Velvet Count Three & Pray Berlin Pat
01:10:00 Blink of an Eye Voyeur Berlin Pat
01:15:00 Fly by Night Moment of Truth Terri Nunn Pat
01:15:00 Animal Berlin Animal Pat
01:25:00 Don’t Make Me Regret It Animal Berlin Pat

Episode 254: Two Hands Clapping



Episode 254: Two Hands Clapping
Pat and Murray play their favorite songs that feature "hand claps." Please hold your applause for an episode that was 3 weeks in the making!
From May 26, 2016

With your hosts:

Pat Francis

Murray Valeriano


00:00:00 Pat, Murray, and Kyle welcome us to the show. Murray finally has his gift basket from Josh Scott Fitzgerald. Murray is at first incensed that Pat and Kyle stole his Reese's Cups, but the bottle of rum more than makes up for it. And there's a card! What a nice way to start the pod. Murray's a little tired, but excited to be here. Pat's up and charged due to a previous recording with April.
00:05:00 Murray takes a taste of the black cherry rum. Consensus: A little cough syrupy. But it's daddy's night out, so down the gullet it goes! Oh lord, now Murray is getting in on the Trump impression game. The infection is spreading. Murray had to rush to get the songs for this topic and "Oh, that rum is harsh."
00:10:00 Today's topic is about songs that feature handclaps. Pat stresses "predominant handclaps," but Murray thinks you can bend those rules. BUT WAIT! Kyle has his own installment of

Kyle apologizes to Murray because he hates this band. Yes, it's the new single "Bored to Death" by Blink-182 from their new album California. "Every song that Blink-182 does sound like the same song," says Murray. "And that song sucks." Pat and Kyle enjoy it, as well as the artwork. They hope I add it to the recap. "Andrew Rich has great taste in music and would never add that crap to it," argues Murray. Pat decides to tweet me to find out my thoughts on Blink-182.

More on that in a little bit.
00:15:00 Murray named a track on his album Rusty Cow after Blink-182 and it was all about how he hated the band. It's his most downloaded track. Pat is actually pretty tired of Weezer and their nerdy antics. Murray tries to think of a Weezer collaboration, but can't of think it. It's actually a new Monkees song that Rivers Cuomo wrote called "She Makes Me Laugh" from their new album Good Times!. The trio really like it.
00:20:00 Okay, handclap songs. Are you ready Pat? Are you ready Kyle? Alright fellas, LET'S GOOOO!!!!! Murray's first pick is "The Ballroom Blitz" by Sweet off the album Desolation Boulevard. "They might as well call that song 'Speeding Ticket,'" says Murray. OOOOH! A response from me on Blink-182!

Murray's respect for me: OUT THE WINDOW! Speaking of Sweet, Pat tells a story about him and Kyle seeing Yes and the guy next to them was talking up a storm about how bands with their original lead singer sound the best. It turns out the guy was actually the new lead singer of Sweet, Joe Retta! How peculiar.
00:25:00 While Murray skedaddles to the bathroom, Pat and Kyle listen to some new Sweet with Joe Retta on vocals. "It sounds like he swallowed a ghost," says Kyle. Who knows though, it's YouTube. In any event, Pat's first pick is one Billy Joel. Off the album The Stranger, it's "Only the Good Die Young". In Pat's hometown, the song was CONDEMNED (!) for being perceived as anti-Catholic. Hellfire! Brimstone!
00:30:00 Murray's next pick is from the 2015 Year in Review. It's "S.O.B." by Nathaniel Rateliff & the Night Sweats off their self-titled album. Rateliff looks remarkably like former guest and Tom Petty superfan Geoff Tate who, coincidentally enough, just agreed to do a Bob Seger episode with Pat.
Up next for Pat is the duo Hall & Oates with "Private Eyes" off the album Private Eyes.
00:35:00 The next song for Murray dons the leather jackets and shades. It's Ramones with "Judy Is a Punk" off their self-titled album. Not only does it feature handclaps, but it's got KAZOOS! "If you ever do a kazoo episode, you can play that song," suggests Murray. HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! (glug glug glug)
Handclaps abound in Pat's next pick, "Hanginaround" by Counting Crows off the album This Desert Life. Murray will not listen to any Counting Crows until Adam Duritz gets a haircut. Pat heard a rumor that it's all a weave. Pat's joke: "I always say when your hair is falling out, weave it alone."
00:40:00 Murray's got a clapping cover! It's Bauhaus doing a version of "Telegram Sam" from their compilation album 1979-1983. Pat doubts the validity of these claps. They don't sound like handclaps; too digital, perhaps. "Maybe he's clapping on a Casio," says Murray.
This next guy not only went into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year, but HE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MURRAY! Pat plays "Take the Money and Run" by Steve Miller Band off the album Fly Like an Eagle. Pat and Murray compliment the classic rock radio station KLOS for playing deeper stuff.
00:45:00 Murray's story about speaking with Mr. Steve Miller. He's playing a casino and Miller is playing a nearby theater. Murray got to sneak a peak at the encore songs. The next day Murray spots Miller at a coffee shop in the hotel and goes to say hi. Murray compliments Miller for having the crowd on their feet. The two chit-chatted for ten minutes. Super awesome guy. Murray got a deeper appreciation for Steve Miller just watching him perform live and talking with him. Fin. Murray returns to the punk world with "No Fun" by The Stooges off their self-titled album.
00:50:00 Murray likes what he knows with The Stooges, and if given the choice, would go with New York Dolls over The Stooges. Pat steers the ship in another direction with Sheryl Crow. Off her self-titled album, the song is called "A Change Would Do You Good".

So it seems that in the middle of the song playing, the computer crashed. Luckily the previous fifty minutes were saved, but everything afterwards was gone. So now it is THREE WEEKS LATER and Murray is back to re-record the rest of the episode. AND THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE! Oh, what a comedy of errors. As someone who's experienced computer issues before, I know the pain.
00:55:00 Murray plugs his now relevant dates. MurrayValeriano.com. He also has a NEW Facebook fan page, Murray Valeriano Comedy. Now that those are all out of the way, Pat and Murray remember NOTHING about the previous part of the episode. So goodbye callbacks and references.
01:00:00 While they are at it, Murray officially announces his guest for his live podcast at LA Podcast Festival 2016. It's Greg Behrendt. Murray and Greg are going to bring their guitars and tell campfire stories. It's going to be magical. Pat will be at the Festival with Never Not Funny, BUT if Rock Solid gets a slot, then Pat will not do Never Not Funny at the Podcast Festival. He'll instead do the Burbank Comedy Festival with Never Not Funny. But again, that's ONLY if Rock Solid gets a slot. If it doesn't get a slot, Pat will do NNF at the Podcast Festival. Courtesy of Matt Burkey, here's a handy chart:
Murray returns us to the music with "Comfort Eagle" by Cake off the album Comfort Eagle.
01:05:00 Pat lays down some podcast business: There will be some new voices in here due to other co-hosts having engagements that are keeping them busy. Mike is going out of town for a few weeks, Christy is starting her writing gig with Modern Family, April's doing standup on the East coast with Chris Hardwick, and Murray is going overseas to do standup for the military. So, in the coming weeks: Terri Nunn from Berlin, comedians Cathy Ladman and Brian Noonan, authors Jen Klein and Dave Holmes, plus some episodes in the can with April, Christy, and Mike. Lot of things going on with Rock Solid.
Shoutout to Christy. Pat plays "My Best Friend's Girl" by The Cars from their self-titled album.
01:10:00 While Pat grabs pizza, Murray chats with Kyle. What's Kyle's worst stand up gig so far? In college, he performed in the basement of a McDonald's. It was an actual dining area. Some people came, most people just ate and stared in bemusement. As Pat reappears, Murray plays his next pick. Off the album Centerfield, it's John Fogerty with "Centerfield".
01:15:00 In between the recordings of this one episode, Pat saw Todd Rundgren in concert. As he was getting an album signed by bassist Kasim Sulton (of Utopia fame), Pat asked him if he was going to tour with Meat Loaf (whom he'd played bass for many times) in the Fall. "Nooooooo, never again!!" replied Sulton. And then he laughed and walked away. Oh boy. Pat and Murray saw Motion City Soundtrack together and Murray was super impressed with Toni Thaxton's ability to drum hard (or pound the skins, as they say in the biz) for long periods of time.
The song that Pat immediately thought of when he thought of handclaps is "We Will Rock You" by Queen off the album News of the World. Mike is just sick of that song and "We Are the Champions" (as evidenced by the Worst of the Best episode). He gets so mad he just hurls his bag of cocaine at the radio in frustration.
Murray follows this up with his favorite Queen song, "Radio Ga Ga" off of The Works.
01:20:00 After musing over the idea of recording half an episode, waiting a year, and then recording the other half (a.k.a. the Boyhood method), Pat and Murray discuss Queen at Live Aid and watching Live Aid in general. Then Pat plays a song that is probably being played right now as we speak. Off their album LP, it's The Rembrandts with "I'll Be There for You".
01:25:00 "When they say music soothes the savage beast, they were talking about this voice." Murray plays "Wavelength" by Van Morrison off the album Wavelength.
Up next for Pat is Styx. It's "Too Much Time on My Hands" off the album Paradise Theatre.
Murray's got some sand on his hands for his next clapping song. Off the album All Summer Long, it's "I Get Around" by The Beach Boys.
01:30:00 50 Years of Pet Sounds. Elliot Easton recently put Pet Sounds on blast on Facebook. He says the previous two Beach Boys albums are more accessible and where the sounds of Pet Sounds can be found first. Also, Revolver puts Pet Sounds in the dust. Murray agrees with the last part, but he still stands by Pet Sounds. Pat and Kyle inquire as to whether Murray got his bones jumped to the album (as well as any others), but Murray's lips are sealed.
Pat goes to his old pal Neil Diamond with his next pick. Off the album The Feel of Neil Diamond, it's "Cherry, Cherry". Jewish Elvis, handclapping and dreidel spinning like a boss.
01:35:00 Some various chit chat leads to Murray's next song. Off the album The Fine Art of Surfacing, it's "I Don't Like Monday" by The Boomtown Rats. Pat brings up the lip sync show. "How is that a show?" Murray wonders. A whole show of lip syncing gets boos all around.
01:40:00 Pat is determined to buy a copy of The Fine Art of Surfacing... if the price is right. In the meantime, he plays "Head Over Heels" by The Go-Go's off the album Talk Show. Murray calls foul, he does NOT think those are handclaps. And Murray, ever the man with the memory, remembers Pat giving him shit three weeks ago for the non-handclaps of "Telegram Sam." So there!
Murray's next pick is by Jack White. Off his album Blunderbuss, it's "I'm Shakin'".
01:45:00 Pat apologizes for playing an overplayed song, but he loves it so much. Off their self-titled album, it's "More Than a Feeling" by Boston. Somehow we come full circle and Murray thanks Josh for the gift basket. Good lord, what a mess.
Murray's next is by a band that, once again, Pat thinks sucks. It's Badfinger with "No Matter What" off the album No Dice.
01:50:00 Thanks to Murray for shlepping back here after three weeks to complete the episode and bear the brunt of nonstop jackassery. Your patience is incredible.

Pat takes us out with "One World" by Utopia off the album Swing to the Right.
Time Song Album Artist Who
00:10:00 Bored to Death California Blink-182 Kyle (New Music Roundup)
00:15:00 She Makes Me Laugh Good Times! The Monkees Murray (New Music Roundup)
00:20:00 The Ballroom Blitz Desolation Boulevard Sweet Murray
00:25:00 Only the Good Die Young The Stranger Billy Joel Pat
00:30:00 S.O.B. Nathaniel Rateliff & the Night Sweats Nathaniel Rateliff & the Night Sweats Murray
00:30:00 Private Eyes Private Eyes Hall & Oates Pat
00:35:00 Judy Is A Punk Ramones Ramones Murray
00:35:00 Hanginaround This Desert Life Counting Crows Pat
00:40:00 Telegram Sam 1979-1983 Bauhaus Murray
00:40:00 Take the Money and Run Fly Like an Eagle Steve Miller Band Pat
00:45:00 No Fun The Stooges The Stooges Murray
00:50:00 A Change Would Do You Good Sheryl Crow Sheryl Crow Pat
01:00:00 Comfort Eagle Comfort Eagle Cake Murray
01:05:00 My Best Friend’s Girl The Cars The Cars Pat
01:10:00 Centerfield Centerfield John Fogerty Murray
01:15:00 We Will Rock You News of the World Queen Pat
01:15:00 Radio Ga Ga The Works Queen Murray
01:20:00 I’ll Be There for You LP The Rembrandts Pat
01:25:00 Wavelength Wavelength Van Morrison Murray
01:25:00 Too Much Time on My Hands Paradise Theatre Styx Pat
01:25:00 I Get Around All Summer Long The Beach Boys Murray
01:30:00 Cherry, Cherry The Feel of Neil Diamond Neil Diamond Pat
01:35:00 I Don’t Like Mondays The Fine Art of Surfacing The Boomtown Rats Murray
01:40:00 Head Over Heels Talk Show The Go-Go’s Pat
01:40:00 I’m Shakin’ Blunderbuss Jack White Murray
01:45:00 More Than a Feeling Boston Boston Pat
01:45:00 No Matter What No Dice Badfinger Murray
01:50:00 One World Swing to the Right Utopia Pat

Episode 253: Hard & Heavy



Episode 253: Hard & Heavy
This episode goes to 11 as Pat and Kyle play their favorite hard rock and heavy metal songs with some listener requests thrown in too!
From May 19, 2016

With your hosts:

Pat Francis

Kyle Dodson


00:00:00 Pat and Kyle welcome us to the show. If you've come for a serious, straightforward discussion about the dynamic world of music, you've come to the wrong place. This is a silly show. There will be tangents and banter and wacky jokes galore. And there will be plenty of hard rock and heavy metal songs because this episode is HARD & HEAVY!!!!!!!! Pat spends the opening minutes thanking various people for their donations to the podcast. Thanks peeps. Anyway, Pat and Kyle both love the hard rock and the heavy metal and such. Pat tends to lean more towards the hard rock side, while Kyle digs the metal masters. There will also be listener requests! But Kyle will NOT be playing the song "Beast and the Harlot" by Avenged Sevenfold. "Because they suck," Kyle says. Jeez Kyle, tell us how you really feel! Right? Who's with me, people?
00:05:00 An attempt to play a listener request goes awry (When does it not), so Kyle starts us off. Off the album Stabbing the Drama, it's "Stabbing the Drama" by Soilwork. Yup, that's metal. Specifically Swedish melodic death metal. Those lovely Swedes and their penchant for screaming. Pat would not prefer an entire episode of that. "If it's all yelling, I feel like I'm at my parents' house for Christmas," he says. In other Pat news, he reveals he has a toenail growing under his toenail. Doesn't hurt though, and he can't wait for it to fall off to see what's underneath. "What if it's a pearl?" he excitedly wonders.
00:10:00 Pat takes the time to recommend the episode of Never Not Funny where he and one James Pardo recount their visit to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony (Episode 1809 CLICK HERE) before introducing his first pick. It's UFO with "Rock Bottom" off the album Phenomenon.
Young Master Kyle is able to fix some technical issues and play the first listener request. Matt Burkey requests "Enter Sandman" by Meta *whispers*... Wait, what? *whispers*.... Seriously? Alright, then. It's actually a cover done by Pat Boone off his album In a Metal Mood: No More Nice Mr. Guy. Wow. Woooooooooow.
Kyle cleanses the palate with "Rawkfist" by Thousand Foot Krutch off the album Phenomenon
00:15:00 It only took fifteen minutes for Ozzy Osbourne to arrive. Pat plays Over the Mountain off the album Diary of a Madman. Rock in Peace, Randy Rhoads.
A listener requested Nine Inch Nails, so Kyle obliges with "The Great Destroyer" from Year Zero. We're six songs in, what would Kyle's dad/Pat's brother think of all this metal mayhem and hard rock hooliganism? He wouldn't be a fan... except for Pat Boone.
00:20:00 Up next for Pat is Rainbow with "Death Alley Driver" off the album Straight Between the Eyes. Remember kids: Christy Stratton once called Joe Lynn Turner "the dreamiest of the Rainbow lead vocalists."
Kyle is up with his next band, Sick Puppies. Off the album Dressed Up as Life, it's the song "Cancer". A lot of melody with Kyle's choices so far. "You would like a band called Creed," suggests Pat. He sorta remembers having Creed's greatest hits once, but it was lost in the great Pat Francis MP3 Purge.
00:25:00 UP THE IRONS! Pat recently saw Iron Maiden on tour and loved it. Of course he did, it's IRON BLOODY MAIDEN! Pat plays "Wrathchild" off their second album Killers. Pat gives a nod to Iron Maiden for finding a logo and an icon (Eddie) on the first album and pretty much sticking to it for their entire career.
00:30:00 Pat continues to compliment the Iron Maiden show for being great; the audience was rowdy, but not violent. Good on you, Maiden fans. Kyle takes us back to some contemporary Swedish death metal with a band called In Flames. Off the album Come Clarity, it's the title track "Come Clarity". Does Kyle sing these songs in his cars? Sometimes. Pat sings everything in the car AND drums on the steering wheel. He used to pound on drumsticks while riding an exercise bike.
00:35:00 According to Kyle, Soilwork and In Flames are good friends. You see, even in the world of melodic Swedish death metal, it's the heart that strums the chords. Yup, I wrote that. Pat plays his next pick, Def Leppard. From their first album On Through the Night, it's the hard rockin' "Wasted". Very different from the later 80s Def Leppard stuff.
00:40:00 The next band for Kyle is called Sonic Syndicate. He considers it a "poppy" metal guilty pleasure because the previous albums are much heavier and there was a lineup change. He plays "Burn This City" off the album We Rule the Night. Okay, "poppy".... I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Some random metal musings: Pat's still trying to get Frankie Benalli from Quiet Riot on the podcast. He and Kyle also don't agree with the way AC/DC treated Brian Johnson and are not interested in Axl Rose temporarily fronting the band. Pat orders Kyle to go to YouTube and try to find an AC/DC cover band to see if they can spot a soundalike for Brian Johnson.
00:45:00 In the meantime, Pat plays his own Swedish metal men. It's Krokus with "Eat the Rich" off the album Headhunter. Screw cover bands, get the lead singer of Krokus! Kyle meanwhile finds an AC/DC cover band called Back in Black and plays a little of them Hells Bells. The audio quality is poor, OH KYLE!!!! He finds their version of "You Shook Me All Night Long" and Pat and Kyle don't like him. Thumbs down from the Dodson boys.
Frank Sanchez gets a request in under the wire (literally as they're recording and requests "Painkiller" by Judas Priest from the album Painkiller.
00:50:00 Pat and Kyle ponder the classic metal band. To them, it's between Judas Priest and Iron Maiden. Kyle argues Metallica too could be there. Pat doesn't know why, but he just isn't a Metallica, Megadeth, or Motorhead fan. He respects the bands, but they just can't grab him. Fair enough, sir, fair enough. Moving on, Kyle saw his next band on their farewell tour in a crowd of about 100. Off the album Pressure the Hinges, it's Haste the Day with "Pressure the Hinges".
00:55:00 James Alvarez and a bunch of other lovely people suggested the FANTASTIC band Ghost. James, you beautiful bastard. Kyle obliges with the song "Cirice" off the album Meliora. Mr. Alvarez, Travis Kennedy, Pat, and Kiss saw Kiss play a non-makeup acoustic show and it was a great show with a deep set.
01:00:00 There was some self-deprecating stage patter from Paul and Gene, it was a lot of fun. "Thupendouth," as the Starchily would say. Pat's next pick is the self-titled debut of Skid Row. He walked into a record store as they just so happened to play it and he was enamored by it. The dulcet tones of Sebastian Bach, the lucid licks of Snake Sabo. He bought the album right there and then. Years later he saw Skid Row w/o Sebastian and they were less than stellar. Pat plays the song "Makin' a Mess".
Kyle's got some avant-garde concept album metal for us all to enjoy. It's Dog Fasion Disco with "Moonlight City Drive" off the album Adultery.
01:05:00 Going back to Ghost, Kyle thinks they look scary, but cool scary. Well, when you have a lead singer dressed as a Satanic Pope named Papa Emeritus III and a bunch of shrouded musicians called the Nameless Ghouls, you know that band enjoys the theatrics. Pat returns us to the classic metal with "Digital Bitch" by Black Sabbath off the album Born Again, which is the lone Sabbath album to have Ian Gillan on lead vocals.
Speaking of B.S., Kyle's next band has a song called "Bullshit". Off the album You'll Rebel to Anything, it's Mindless Self Indulgence. The lead singer's name is Jimmy Urine. "I don't think it's his real name," Kyle opines.
01:10:00 RIP RJD. Pat plays "Hungry for Heaven" by Dio off the album Sacred Heart. Love ya Ronnie, you grandmother-bodied god!
Super group alert from Kyle Dodson. This is "Judith" by A Perfect Circle off the album Mer de Noms. Pat doubts the super group validity of this band. These new-fangled kids with their Maynard James Keenan and their Josh Freese and their James Iha. Do they match the powerhouse that is Asia? I think not.
Pat throws some love to Thin Lizzy with "Cold Sweat" off their last studio album Thunder and Lightning.
01:15:00 While Pat still... STILL... contemplates how to pronounce Lynott, Kyle plays his next pick. Off the album Scurrilous, it's "Sex Tapes" by Protest the Hero.
01:20:00 Pat gives apologies to the German Scorpions and instead goes for the British Whitesnake. He plays the bit hit "Still of the Night" off their self-titled album. Pat and Kyle saw Whitesnake live and basked in the glory that is David Coverdale's full head of lustrous hair.
Kyle gives his apologies to Static-X and 36 Crazyfists. What can ya do? Instead he goes for the band Killswitch Engage with the song "My Curse" from the album As Daylight Dies.
01:25:00 Thanks to Kyle for pulling double duty and being both a co-host and a producer. He admits it was hard to pick the songs. Hard rock and heavy metal, they're deep alcoves of musical goodness. Pat and Kyle take us out with the returning Iron Maiden. It's "The Trooper" off the album Piece of Mind.
Time Song Album Artist Who
00:05:00 Stabbing the Drama Stabbing the Drama Soilwork Kyle
00:10:00 Rock Bottom Phenomenon UFO Pat
00:10:00 Enter Sandman In a Metal Mood: No More Mr. Nice Guy Pat Boone Matt Burkey
00:10:00 Rawkfist Phenomenon Thousand Foot Krutch Kyle
00:15:00 Over the Mountain Diary of a Madman Ozzy Osbourne Pat
00:15:00 The Great Destroyer Year Zero Nine Inch Nails Kyle
00:20:00 Death Alley Driver Straight Between the Eyes Rainbow Pat
00:20:00 Cancer Dressed Up as Life Sick Puppies Kyle
00:25:00 Wrathchild Killers Iron Maiden Pat
00:30:00 Come Clarity Come Clarity In Flames Kyle
00:35:00 Wasted On Through the Night Def Leppard Pat
00:40:00 Burn This City We Rule the Night Sonic Syndicate Kyle
00:45:00 Eat the Rich Headhunter Krokus Pat
00:45:00 Painkiller Painkiller Judas Priest Frank Sanchez
00:50:00 Pressure the Hinges Pressure The Hinges Haste The Day Kyle
00:55:00 Cirice Meliora Ghost James Alvarez
01:00:00 Makin’ a Mess Skid Row Skid Row Pat
01:00:00 Moonlight City Drive Adultery Dog Fashion Disco Kyle
01:05:00 Digital Bitch Born Again Black Sabbath Pat
01:05:00 Bullshit You’ll Rebel to Anything Mindless Self Indulgence Kyle
01:10:00 Hungry for Heaven Sacred Heart Dio Pat
01:10:00 Judith Mer de Noms A Perfect Circle Kyle
01:10:00 Cold Sweat Thunder and Lightning Thin Lizzy Pat
01:15:00 Sex Tapes Scurrilous Protest the Hero Kyle
01:20:00 Still of the Night Whitesnake Whitesnake Pat
01:20:00 My Curse As Daylight Dies Killswitch Engage Kyle
01:25:00 The Trooper Piece of Mind Iron Maiden Pat

Episode 252: The Kinks: 1964 - 1969



Episode 252: The Kinks: 1964 - 1969
Pat is joined by friend and "Kinks Super Fan" Mario del Barrio to discuss the band's 1964 - 1969 discography. Kyle produces and does a nice Trump impression.
From May 12, 2016

With your host:

Pat Francis


00:00:00 Pat and Kyle welcome us to the show. Joining the Dodson Duo today in the co-host's seat is one of the hosts of the Superiority Complex podcast, Mario del Barrio. Yes, it rhymes. No, it's not his actual name. But it would be pretty fun if it was. Pat and Mario are friends, Mario listens to the show. They got together over their shared love of The Kinks and went to a Ray Davies show. Naturally they got stuff signed.
00:05:00 Then most recently Pat and Mario saw Dave Davies solo and Pat got his album signed at the stage, all the while Mario got stuck behind in the crowd. Pat just whisked away out of sight like Jason Bourne. Fun story: Mario is a big Star Wars fan and they found out the next day that Mark Hamill was actually at the show. Kyle saw Mark pump gas about a year ago, so he's got that going for him. Pat and Mario also went to a documentary screening about a guy trying to reunite The Kinks called Do It Again, where they saw The Kinks' first producer.
00:10:00 More adventures with Pat and Mario: They went to a Dodger game with Star of Stage and Screen Jimmy Pardo and former Rock Solid guest and money man Chip Chinnery. Mario is Pardo-approved. "He gets it." I've only heard him for ten minutes and I can say the same. Mario is here, if you haven't figured it out, to talk with Pat about The Kinks. And like The Rolling Stones episode a few weeks earlier with Mike, this episode will focus on their 60s output. Mario ranks The Kinks at the top of his list of Beatles-Rolling Stones-Kinks-Who. The reason is he felt like The Beatles were overplayed, the Stones sound a bit too same-y with their output, The Who are hard rock, and The Kinks cover all bases.
00:15:00 Also, The Kinks are a bit more eclectic, so if you meet someone who knows more than the basic hits ("You Really Got Me," "All Day and All of the Night," "Lola," etc.) it feels special. Pat describes Ray and The Kinks as the most specifically British of the four big bands. All these character studies of different aspects of British life. Ray also writes and produces pretty much all of The Kinks' original output. Mario says The Kinks weren't the best musicians, but they could play to their strengths. Ray was the writer, Dave brought the rock and roll to it. Pat and Mario started out with an episode devoted to all of The Kinks' stuff, then they realized there is waaaaaaaaaaay too much to cover in one episode, so they decided to stick to the 60s. The 60s lineup of The Kinks is as follows:
  • Ray Davies -- lead vocals, rhythm guitar, keyboards
  • Dave Davies -- lead guitar, lead & backing vocals
  • Mick Avory -- drums
  • Pete Quaife -- bass, backing vocals
  • John Dalton -- bass, backing vocals (fills in for Pete Quaife in 1966, replaces him in 1969)
00:20:00 The boys are going to go in chronological order, sort of. Mario starts us off and he wants to put The Kinks into context. Every band at the time wanted to cash in on The Beatles, while The Beatles wanted to be like Carl Perkins and Chuck Berry. Mario's first song is The Kinks' first single, their version of "Long Tall Sally" by Little Richard which can be found on a deluxe edition of their first album Kinks. Very early-Beatles sounding, although Mario thinks it was the record company's behest.
Pat's first song is also from their debut album Kinks. The song is "Just Can't Go to Sleep". All of Pat's songs are in Mono because he got them from a Mono boxset. Mario: "Was that the boxset you got from kissing too much?" Stone cold silence from Pat and Kyle. Woof.
Mario's next track is the big hit "All Day and All of the Night" off the US album Kinks-Size.
00:25:00 That song was before "Satisfaction." It was before Sgt. Pepper's. It was before "My Generation." No one was rocking like that. Mario explains it as a song that you give someone who's never heard rock and roll before to show them what it's like. Pat is such a Kinks nerd that when he went to England with his wife Pilar, he went on his own Kinks tour, seeing Ray & Dave's childhood home, Konk Studios (or at least the outside of it) and the pub where The Kinks first played. His next pick is again off the debut album, a song called "Stop Your Sobbing".
00:30:00 The next song for Mario is "Set Me Free", found on the deluxe edition of their second album Kinda Kinks. Then he follows this up with the B-side, "I Need You", also found on that deluxe edition.
The next song for Pat can be found on Kinks-Size called "I Gotta Move". Pat and Mario are a little frustrated that The Kinks are not more well-known. I know the feeling: I've been championing 90s-era Yes for years. YEARS!
00:35:00 Up next for Mario is a song for the impatient soul in all of us: "Tired of Waiting for You" off of Kinda Kinks. Due to circumstances beyond all our control, Pat's Donald Trump impression goes back to back with Paul Stanley impression. Wouldn't you know it, Paul is a big fan of The Kinks... especially ones that begin with the letter "S." It's a whole big barrel of lovable NONSENSE.
Thankfully, Pat has enough self-control to move on to his next pick: Off of Kinda Kinks, it's the long song title "Nothin' in the World Can Stop Me Worryin' 'Bout That Girl".
00:40:00 Mario's next song is a B-side and can be found on the deluxe edition of The Kink Kontroversy. The song is called "Sittin' on My Sofa".
Pat stays on Kinda Kinks and plays "Come On Now". Pat mentions a fun fact about the first Kinks album: Jimmy Page and Jon Lord do some session work on it. Rumor had it that Jimmy did the solo for "You Really Got Me," but those rumors are bunk.
Mario now plays "Dedicated Follower of Fashion", the A-side to "Sittin' on My Sofa" and also found on the deluxe edition of The Kink Kontroversy. That song was when the worm turned and The Kinks started branching out with their musical stylings and inspirations. It's also about Dave, according to Mario.
00:45:00 One last song from Kinda Kinks for Pat, a song called "You Shouldn't Be Sad".
Mario goes for a deep cut on The Kink Kontroversy called "I'm on an Island". "Did he write a song every day?!" Pat wonders about Ray.
Another song from The Kink Kontroversy. Pat plays the song "Till the End of the Day".
00:50:00 Everything that was played so far was recorded in the span of one year. ONE! Bands nowadays couldn't even fathom that kind of output. Pat adds to the pile with two more from The Kink Kontroversy. The first is "When I See That Girl of Mine". The second is "Where Have All the Good Times Gone". When Van Halen covered the latter, it showed off a real fandom. Pat feels like Roth is The Kinks fan; Eddie, after all, has never listened to other's people music... ever. Mario has never seen The Kinks live. Pat saw them in 1993 on the Phobia tour in a half-packed venue with a comedian opening for them. Pat not only names him--Ken Savara--but he calls him a horrible comedian. AND THEN KYLE PLAYS A BRIEF SNIPPET OF HIS ACT ON YOUTUBE! Oh my goodness. "There he is," says Kyle. "The famous Kinks opener, Ken Savara."
00:55:00 Mario hastily moves us along to Face to Face, the first real Kinks classic according to the two hosts. He plays "Sunny Afternoon". The album only went to 135 in the US. Pat is so angry he goes right back to his Trump impression. I'm telling you, it's yuge.
Pat's first song from Face to Face is called "Party Line".
Mario's next pick is found on the deluxe edition of Face to Face. It's a song called "Big Black Smoke". The song is about London, not the Smoke Monster from Lost.
01:00:00 We get some very timely Lost discussion (Kyle has some rather strong words) before Pat plays "Rosie Won't You Please Come Home" from Face to Face. Pat is a big fan of London. He fantasizes about growing up in London in the 60s like Ray and Dave did and can't wait to go back. He then plays another track from the album, "I'll Remember".
01:05:00 Do you ever wonder how to transition to something that is just plain silly and out-of-place? This is me right now. I somehow how to transition into Pat and Kyle impersonating Donald Trump punching paintings and talking about the Star Trek episode "Amok Time." Magnum P.I. The Take Five candy bar. Ferraris. I can't even. I just can't even. Mario mercifully plays his next song, "Act Nice and Gentle", found on the deluxe edition of Something Else by The Kinks.
01:10:00 Something Else was the last album produced by Shel Telvy, the original Kinks producer. From there on out, it's Ray. Pat plays quite possibly his favorite Kinks song ever and one of his top five songs of all time: "Waterloo Sunset". Pat and Mario wonder how that isn't right up there with The Beatles' stuff. They just love it so much.
01:15:00 Up next for Mario is off Something Else, a song about a man named "David Watts".
Pat follows this up with a song with Dave on lead vocals (and written by him as well), "Love Me till the Sun Shines". Pat doesn't mind Dave on vocals. Neither does Mario, though he is aware that people don't like him. Mario then makes a joke about seeing Dave Davies live post-stroke. "I mean, you don't want him walking out there with a...." Five seconds of silence, followed by titters from Pat. Ya see, Dave had a stroke, but also stroking is a euphemism for masturbation. So.... yeah.
I'm just gonna move us right along and say that Mario's next pick is "Polly", found on the deluxe edition of Something Else.
01:20:00 Pat plays a song called "Days", which is a single and bonus track from The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society. Pat and Mario both want this song played at their funerals. "Suicide pact, if Trump gets elected," suggests Mario. "I'll use Obamacare to buy a cyanide tooth," offers Kyle. Sounds like a plan. Pat then plays the B-side to "Days" called "She's Got Everything". Pat and Mario give love to Dave Davies for being an underrated guitarist.
01:25:00 Village Green Preservation Society is another album that Pat shouts from the rooftops deserves more love. Unfortunately it was released the same day as The Beatles' White Album. But Pat isn't having any of The Fab Four's psychedelic nonsense and neither is Kyle.
"If I wanted to hear '#9' over and over again, I'd go wait at the deli."
- Kyle, with the line of the episode

Pat plays the song "Picture Book". The song was used in a Hewlett Packard commercial. By the time the album came out, Ray Davies was 24!
Mario's first pick from the album is simply called "Village Green".
01:30:00 Pat's next pick from VGPS is called "Starstruck". More Trump: Now everyone has the same password for everything. It's "Trump." FOR GOD'S SAKE, STOP IT!!!!!!
Mario plays "Big Sky". Meanwhile Kyle is texting his lady friend. Probably about how great The Kinks are.
01:35:00 Pat jumps back to Face to Face with a song called "Session Man". And then he plays another track off the album called "Dandy". Oh, what a lark!
Mario stays on the pastoral route and plays "Autumn Almanac", found on the deluxe edition of Something Else by The Kinks.
We're just jumping all around. Pat plays the title track, "The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society" off of, well, The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society.
We move on to the final album of the 60s, Arthur (Or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire). It was originally supposed to be the soundtrack to a TV show about the history of England--from the Victorian era through World War II and into the 60s--as seen through the eyes of a working class guy named Arthur.
01:40:00 Mario plays the lead-off track, his favorite song of all time, "Victoria".
Pat's favorite song from Arthur is called "Some Mother's Son".
Up next for Mario off of Arthur is a song called "Brainwashed".
01:45:00 Pat can't wait to do the 70s show. The Kinks released 11 albums during the decade. Of course now is the time for Pat to bust out his Springsteen impression. His favorite movie is The Taking Pelham of 123. Sorry, The Taking of Pelham 1! 2! 3! And more Trump. At this point, it's all just white noise.
01:50:00 Pat IS LITERALLY DOING HIS TRUMP IMPRESSION NON-STOP. He admits he could just keep doing it all show long. Mario suggests an episode where Pat only does his Trump impression. Trump says he'll make a call to April Richardson for Trump Tunes. Good lord, we've created a monster.
In all seriousness, thanks so much to Mario for coming on the show and expressing his deep love for The Kinks. Make sure you check out his podcast Superiority Complex, where he and his co-hosts discuss some general palaver about pop culture and stuff. You can follow them on Twitter @SoupComplex. Yum.
01:55:00 Pat takes us out with the most well-known Kinks song, "You Really Got Me" off of Kinks.
Time Song Album Artist Who
00:20:00 Long Tall Sally Kinks (Deluxe Edition) The Kinks Mario
00:20:00 Just Can’t Go to Sleep Kinks The Kinks Pat
00:20:00 All Day and All of the Night Kinks-Size The Kinks Mario
00:25:00 Stop Your Sobbing Kinks The Kinks Pat
00:30:00 Set Me Free Kinda Kinks (Deluxe Edition) The Kinks Mario
00:30:00 I Need You Kinda Kinks (Deluxe Edition) The Kinks Mario
00:30:00 I Gotta Move Kinks-Size The Kinks Pat
00:35:00 Tired of Waiting for You Kinda Kinks The Kinks Mario
00:35:00 Nothin’ in the World Can Stop Me Worryin’ ‘Bout That Girl Kinda Kinks The Kinks Pat
00:40:00 Sittin’ on My Sofa The Kink Kontroversy (Deluxe Edition) The Kinks Mario
00:40:00 Come On Now Kinda Kinks The Kinks Pat
00:40:00 Dedicated Follower of Fashion The Kink Kontroversy (Deluxe Edition) The Kinks Mario
00:45:00 You Shouldn’t Be Sad Kinda Kinks The Kinks Pat
00:45:00 I’m on an Island The Kink Kontroversy The Kinks Mario
00:50:00 When I See That Girl of Mine The Kink Kontroversy The Kinks Pat
00:50:00 Where Have All the Good Times Gone The Kink Kontroversy The Kinks Pat
00:55:00 Sunny Afternoon Face to Face The Kinks Mario
00:55:00 Party Line Face to Face The Kinks Pat
00:55:00 Big Black Smoke Face to Face (Deluxe Edition) The Kinks Mario
01:00:00 Rosie Won’t You Please Come Home Face to Face The Kinks Pat
01:00:00 I’ll Remember Face to Face The Kinks Pat
01:05:00 Act Nice and Gentle Something Else by The Kinks (Deluxe Edition) The Kinks Mario
01:10:00 Waterloo Sunset Something Else by The Kinks The Kinks Pat
01:15:00 David Watts Something Else by The Kinks The Kinks Mario
01:15:00 Love Me till the Sun Shines Something Else by The Kinks The Kinks Pat
01:15:00 Polly Something Else by The Kinks The Kinks Mario
01:20:00 Days The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society (Deluxe Edition) The Kinks Pat
01:20:00 She’s Got Everything Single The Kinks Pat
01:25:00 Picture Book The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society The Kinks Pat
01:25:00 Village Green The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society The Kinks Mario
01:30:00 Starstruck The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society The Kinks Pat
01:30:00 Big Sky The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society The Kinks Mario
01:35:00 Session Man Face to Face The Kinks Pat
01:35:00 Dandy Face to Face The Kinks Pat
01:35:00 Autumn Almanac Something Else by The Kinks (Deluxe Edition) The Kinks Mario
01:35:00 The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society The Kinks Pat
01:40:00 Victoria Arthur (Or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire) The Kinks Mario
01:40:00 Some Mother’s Son Arthur (Or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire) The Kinks Pat
01:40:00 Brainwashed Arthur (Or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire) The Kinks Mario
01:55:00 You Really Got Me Kinks The Kinks Pat

Episode 251: Rock In Peace Vol. 2



Episode 251: Rock In Peace Vol. 2
Kyle sits in as Co-Host as he and Pat play their favorite songs by recording artists that no longer walk the earth but remain in our hearts and ears. *Recorded weeks before Prince left the earth.
From May 5, 2016

With your hosts:

Pat Francis

Kyle Dodson


00:00:00 Pat and Kyle welcome us to the show. That's right, this is a Dodson-only venture, so strap in for Pennsylvania references and banter a-plenty. Murray was supposed to be here, but his illness has taken hold of him at an inconvenient time. Of course he's fine now because this episode was recorded BACK IN FEBRUARY!!!!!!!!!!!! This should be fun. Anyway, Pat and Kyle are here for Rock in Peace Vol. 2. They also both have brand new cars. Pat got a Prius, Kyle got a Corolla. Toyota Boys, through and through. Pat and Kyle compare their new vehicles' fancy features like backup cameras and bluetooth. And glory holes. Don't ask. Suzanne Dillingham is sitting at the table as well, probably horrified. Murray, you silly billy, we miss you but, as Queen once said, the show must go on.
00:05:00 Wait a minute, hold the phone, it's time for another edition of

Here's the deal: Pat sometimes writes reviews for Pop Culture Beast and he'll get CDs from bands that he's never heard of. So we're gonna hear some songs with completely fresh ears. Today's album is New Dawn by Aunt Mary, a Norwegian progressive rock band from the 1970s. Kyle rattles off the band members, which sounds like the potential character list for season 3 of Fargo. Fittingly, the album is dedicated to former vocalist Jan Groth, who died in 2014.
  • "Been There, Done That" --- Pat doesn't hate it. Suzanne loves it. Not that bad from Kyle.
00:10:00
  • "G Flat Road" --- Pat doesn't hate it that either. The drums are kickin'.
  • "Slave Parade" --- The gang likes this too! This First Listen is turning out pretty good.
  • "Blind Date" --- Hot damn.
If you want the album, be the first to email Pat for it. And put your address too, otherwise it's going into the trash with the rest of the penis enhancement emails.
00:15:00 Pat and Kyle go over the history of Aunt Mary. There isn't a hell of a lot, but judging by this new album, you might like what you hear if you seek it out. Before we get to Rock in Peace Vol. 2, we've got even more new business with some

  • James from Brooklyn issues a challenge: Try to do a show without playing any 80s music. "Quit it."
  • Ben from Michigan really likes The Cramps. He thinks they should play them more. Oh, and Pat... go fuck yourself.
  • David from California enjoyed the 2015 in Review and wants to recommend some albums: Art Angels by Grimes and My Love is Cool. Oh and Pat.... you're great.
00:20:00
  • An unknown caller has a short and simple message: "Pat Francis... go fuck yourself."
  • Another unknown caller has an episode idea: The saddest songs you know. Pat go fuck yourself, yes, yes.
  • Troy from New York has a show topic: Albums where a band "jumped the shark" and lost their way; sell-out songs, sell-out albums, that kind of stuff. Kiss going disco for "I Was Made for Lovin' You" or Elton John doing The Lion King are his examples. Should bands stay the same (i.e. Ramones)? Should they evolve like Madonna? Very interesting topic.
Thanks to all those listener calls. Pat and Kyle will try to feature more of them from here on out.
Okay, FINALLY, let's get into Rock in Peace Vol. 2. Lot of fallen rockers lately, especially in the past few months. This edition of RIP will mostly feature artists who died in 2015 or 2016. Freshly dead, as they say.
00:25:00
Pat plays "Midnight Confessions" by The Grass Roots off the album Golden Grass. The Grass Roots have a bunch of songs that people probably know, even if the band isn't exactly a household name. Rob was 67, Pat is 52. This frightens Pat. Grill died after complications from a stroke. This frightens Pat EVEN MORE.
This next artist died on New Year's Eve.
Pat plays "Pink Cadillac" off the album Everlasting. That song of course was written by Bruce Springsteen.
00:30:00 Up next is a man named
Pat plays "Stranger" off the album Modern Times. Grace Slick is retired, but still around. Pat thinks out of Jefferson Airplane, Jefferson Starship, and Starship, Jefferson Starship has some amazing songs. When Kantner left, they became just Starship.
00:35:00 Light 'em up and pour 'em out for this next one.
Pat plays "I Ain't No Nice Guy" by Motörhead featuring Ozzy Osbourne off the album March ör Die. It's a nicer tune than you would expect from Motörhead, but it's appropriate for a Rock in Peace episode.
Rock in Peace to one of the masters of the groove:
Pat plays "Boogie Wonderland" by Earth, Wind & Fire off the album I Am.
00:40:00 Moving on now to
Eagles, not The Eagles. Glenn Frey, not Glen Fry. Pat shakes his head at these spelling and grammatical errors on the Twitter and the Facebook. Pat plays "No More Cloudy Days" by Eagles off the album Long Road Out of Eden.
00:45:00 Sometimes rockers die and it's a shock. Sometimes.... it isn't.
Forty-fucking-eight. And yet... not the youngest guy on Pat's list. Pat plays "She Builds Quick Machines" by Velvet Revolver off the album Libertad. Scott died of drugs, which is not a surprise given his surprise. Still, given his talent and age, it's sad.
00:50:00 Pat is a big fan of this fallen rocker's band.
After Gary left the band, he ballooned up in weight. Pat thinks it's because of his drinking problem, but Suzanne disagrees. She thinks it looks more like bloating from steroids. In any event, it's sad because besides being a guitarist, Gary wrote a lot of the hit songs for the band. Pat plays one of them, "Take It on the Run" by REO Speedwagon off the album Hi Infidelity. One of Pat's favorite guitar solos.
Prog rockers, bow your heads in solidarity.
Before his death, Chris Squire was in EVERY single incarnation of Yes. Pat plays the big hit "Roundabout" by Yes off the album Fragile.
"It's like cohesive electric jazz, but about wizards."
- Kyle, describing progressive rock
00:55:00 Steve Lukather was on this show. But today we're talking about his bandmate.
Pat plays "I Will Remember" by Toto off the album Tambu. Mike died of ALS at 59.
The next dead rocker is from a supergroup.
Pat plays "White Room" by Cream off the album Wheels of Fire.
01:00:00 This is the youngest guy on Pat's list: He died at 31.
Pat plays "Foolin'" by Def Leppard off the album Pyromania.
Even though they just did a tribute show, Pat still wants to honor him.
Bowie looked pretty healthy until his sudden death. Then again, he usually had a cigarette in his mouth when shown in his younger days.
01:05:00 Pat plays "Blue Jean" off the album Tonight. Pat wonders what the lyrics even mean. Who knows what was going on in that beautiful brain of his.
As we wrap up, Pat drops A BOMBSHELL: Dirty iPod is coming back. That's right, the filthiest MP3 player this side of the Mississippi will be returning to the program.
01:10:00 We've reached the end of this musical mausoleum. Pat takes us out with a very appropriate song, "Rock and Roll Heaven" by The Righteous Brothers off the album Give It to the People.
.......Or does he?
Via the magic of music (and last minute editing), the show ends with "Purple Rain" off of Purple Rain.
Time Song Album Artist Who
00:05:00 Been There, Done That New Dawn Aunt Mary Suzanne (First Listen)
00:10:00 G Flat Road New Dawn Aunt Mary Kyle (First Listen)
00:10:00 Slave Parade New Dawn Aunt Mary Pat (First Listen)
00:10:00 Blind Date New Dawn Aunt Mary Pat (First Listen)
00:25:00 Midnight Confessions Golden Grass The Grass Roots Pat
00:25:00 Pink Cadillac Everlasting Natalie Cole Pat
00:30:00 Stranger Modern Times Jefferson Starship Pat
00:35:00 I Ain’t No Nice Guy March ör Die Motörhead feat. Ozzy Osbourne Pat
00:35:00 Boogie Wonderland I Am Earth, Wind & Fire Pat
00:40:00 No More Cloudy Days Long Road Out of Eden  Eagles Pat
00:45:00 She Builds Quick Machines Libertad Velvet Revolver Pat
00:50:00 Take It on the Run Hi Infidelity REO Speedwagon Pat
00:50:00 Roundabout Fragile Yes Pat
00:55:00 I Will Remember Tambu Toto Pat
00:55:00 White Room Wheels of Fire Cream Pat
01:00:00 Foolin’ Pyromania Def Leppard Pat
01:05:00 Blue Jean Tonight David Bowie Pat
01:10:00 Rock and Roll Heaven Give It to the People The Righteous Brothers Pat
01:10:00 Purple Rain Purple Rain Prince Pat

Episode 250: Uncomfortably Numb



Episode 250: Uncomfortably Numb
Pat sits down with Pink Floyd fanatics Murray Valeriano and Darryl Asher (Never Not Notes) to discuss all things Floyd! Kyle Dodson produces while at the same time catching up on some much needed sleep.
From April 28, 2016

With your hosts:

Pat Francis

Murray Valeriano


00:00:00 Pat, Murray, and Kyle welcome us to the show. Fourth mic alert! It's the keeper of Never Not Notes, the wonderful Darryl Asher. Pat first met Darryl at the inaugural Pardcast-a-Thon in 2009. Murray remembering watching a little of the stream and wondering who the hell the dweeb was sitting on stage with Jimmy (it was Pat). But now they're friends to the end, the lovely chaps. Darryl is actually the reason this website even exists because he started taking notes for Never Not Funny, which inspired Jason Wilcox to take notes for Rock Solid, and now YOURS TRULY has kept this beautiful site up and running for over two years. And now I'm writing show notes about an episode with Darryl in it. Circle of life.
00:05:00 Garon has since taken over for Never Not Notes, but Darryl still does classic episodes. Meanwhile this episode has an audience: Darryl's wife and Kyle's girlfriend. Those poor, poor women. Today's topic is about Darryl's favorite band, and one of Murray's favorite bands, Pink Floyd! A top five band for Murray, U2 being number one, of course. Others include R.E.M., Beatles, and Wilco. On the day of this recording, Darryl will be seeing David Gilmour live. He's never seen Gilmour or Waters live because he lives in Montana. And we all now those British rockers love traveling to Montana.
00:10:00 Even when he was younger, Darryl never had the opportunity to go see Pink Floyd in concert when the band was still active. His first concert was Elton John on the Goodbye Yellow Brick Road tour in 1973. He also saw Queen in 1978 on the Jazz tour at the Cobo Arena. "Right now you can buy that arena for $47," says Murray. Pat is jealous that Darryl got to see Queen with Freddie. Has Darryl ever engaged in any elicit drug activities? Nope, never.
00:15:00 Pat never got into drugs and heavy drinking because he was afraid he had an addictive personality (gee, ya think?) while Murray used to smoke pot a lot but not anymore. Oh but enough about these puff puff pastimes, let's play some Floyd! Murray and Darryl brought a ton of Pink Floyd songs, while Pat, the casual fan, brought considerably fewer. Tonight's Gilmour concert is a bucket list item for Darryl.
"Oh, David Gilmour news..."
- Murray

"Dead."
- Pat
Before he was rudely interrupted, Murray says David Crosby sat in with Gilmour at a concert. There's a chance Murray might see Gilmour tonight; he has seen Pink Floyd during the Gilmour-led era.
00:20:00 Darryl gives some life advice: if there's a concert you have a chance to see, go see it. Especially since all these rockers are dropping like flies. Darryl had the chance to see Floyd on the Division Bell Tour; nope. Pat could have seen Queen on The Game tour; nope. Alright, seriously, let's play some Floyd. Darryl kicks things off. He's got trivia, he's got photographs. The man is prepared. Of course, let's go over the members:
  • Syd Barrett - Original member, vocalist, and main guitarist
  • Roger Waters - Original member, vocalist, and main bassist
  • Richard Wright - Original member, vocalist, and main keyboardist
  • Nick Mason - Original member and drummer
  • Syd Barrett - Replacement for Syd Barrett, vocalist, and main guitarist

Gilmour replaced Barrett after Syd became increasingly difficult to deal with (thanks to mental issues and drug problems).
00:25:00 Pink Floyd is named after two blues guitarists, Pink Anderson and Floyd Council. Originally they were The Pink Floyd Sound, then The Pink Floyd, and then just Pink Floyd. Darryl starts us off with early Pink Floyd, the single "Arnold Layne" found on the compilation album Relics. That was a top-20 UK single. Sounds nothing like the Pink Floyd we know because in their early days, they were a heavy freakout psychedelic band.
Murray's first pick is off the 1967 debut album The Piper at the Gates of Dawn. The song is "Astronomy Domine" and it's much more in-line with Syd Barrett's version of the group.
00:30:00 They're recording this on Easter Sunday. The gang discuss the process of hiding eggs for the kid. In regards to "Astronomy Domine" it's a song that Gilmour still does live even though he wasn't a part of it. Gilmour's a nice guy because he always make sure to include Syd stuff in Pink Floyd compilations so that Syd's family can get the royalties. Lovely chap. Darryl moves on to Pink Floyd's second album, 1968's A Saucerful of Secrets. Darryl plays "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun". When Syd died, Murray saw Waters perform that song with Nick Mason in honor of Syd's memory.
00:35:00 From the same album, Murray brought a deep album cut called "Remember a Day". Good news, Kyle is still awake. Who is winning: this or the Dire Straits episode? Dire Straits. Even Darryl agrees. All this stuff is very experimental and a major label might not have faith in a young band to find their sound over so many albums.
Pat jumps in and takes us to 2014 (!) with the latest Pink Floyd album The Endless River. It's the only full song with lyrics, "Louder Than Words". The whole album is essentially stuff leftover from The Division Bell recordings and is a tribute to the late Richard Wright.
00:40:00 Darryl and Murray really like The Endless River. But Darryl would not recommend this album. It's a gift for the fans. Darryl's next pick is 1969's More, a soundtrack. It's an important album because it's the first one completely without Syd. Darryl plays a song that Murray also brought in called "Cymbaline". That's where the seeds of the classic Pink Floyd sound were sown.
00:45:00 Also in 1969 is Ummagumma, a double album with studio and live tracks. For the studio stuff, each band member was given half an album side to do a solo composition. None of the people in studio (and presumably the audience) want to hear any of that, so instead Darryl and Murray skip ahead to 1970's Atom Heart Mother. Murray plays the song "If". "How is Dire Straits now, Kyle?" Pat asks. "If" shows Roger Waters' obsession with mental illness.
00:50:00 Pat is incredulous that there is a song called "Fat Old Sun," but maybe it's because he thought it was "son." To him, it's just David Gilmour singing about his diabetic Benjamin Button offspring. Oh well. Pat corrects his mistake by playing the utterly fantastic "Have a Cigar" off of Wish You Were Here. Question: WHO SINGS "HAVE A CIGAR?" Answer: Roy Harper. Hats off to him. Wish You Were Here is Darryl's favorite Pink Floyd album. Murray's favorite is Animals. What is Kyle's favorite Pink Floyd song? He doesn't mind "Have a Cigar" or "Money." Doesn't mind. He does like "Comfortably Numb," which Pat cannot pronounce for the life of him. Murray's also experiencing some pronunciation snafus because of his BRACES!!! Train Tracks Valeriano.
00:55:00 Discussion turns to David Letterman's recent appearance change to looking like a homeless man. "He looks like a crazy man," says Pat. "Yeah, because he's crazy," says Murray. "He's always been crazy." Letterman tangents aside, Murray takes us to 1971's Meddle and the instrumental "One of These Days". Now the classic Pink Floyd sound was really forming. Trivia about the song from Darryl: The only lead vocal from Nick Mason. "One of these days I'm going to cut you into little pieces." That's him. Kyle enjoys it, he guesses, but it's too long for him.
01:00:00 Speaking of too long, it's Darryl with the 23-minute saga "Echoes". The dinging at the beginning give Pat and Kyle bad flashbacks of the Batman v. Superman score. "More drumming than Whiplash," quips Kyle. Darryl picked the beginning because it shows how Pink Floyd is not afraid to set a base and build from there, taking their time as they do it. Pat and Kyle are not fans.
"This is what they play in Guantanamo Bay to get people to talk."
- Kyle, on "Echoes"
Rogers Waters claims that the theme from Phantom of the Opera rips off a riff in "Echoes."
01:05:00 The band opened the shows with "Echoes" on the Momentary Lapse of Reason Tour, which Murray saw them on. Murray decides to step things up with 1972's Obscured by Clouds. He plays "Free Four". Very poppy stuff.
Now we come to the heavy hitters, beginning with 1973's The Dark Side of the Moon. Many Pink Floyd fan's favorite album, massive seller. Pat has a question: If he was never a Pink Floyd fan, which two songs should he listen to? Murray recommends "Wish You Were Here." Darryl recommends the live version of "Comfortably Numb" from Pulse.
01:10:00 Murray retells a fun story about the Pulse album. It had a blinking light on it. Murray had a lady friend over, they were doing the sideways nasty, and she thought Murray was recording their love making. To Pink Floyd's credit, though, that light blinked for 11 years. Darryl really picks up the pace with some statistics:
  • Dark Side of the Moon spent 741 weeks on the charts.
  • Over 50 million copies sold

Pat wonders then about the 50 million sold claim. The gang look over a number of lists of greatest selling albums of all time. Oh it's a whole big mishmash of numbers.
01:15:00 Through out of all this, the girls in the back somehow haven't abandoned ship. Off of Dark Side, Murray picks "The Great Gig in the Sky" with Clare Torry non-lexically singing her heart out on vocals. She improvised the entire thing for $50 bucks, then sued the band for credit later on. Murray mentions that he did smoke pot once and watched The Wizard of Oz with Dark Side. It works, apparently, as long as you sync it up right. Word to the wise: Sync it BEFORE you smoke weed.
01:20:00 Darryl's pick for Dark Side is "Time". This was Murray's favorite song for so long. Story time: Prom night. Back of the limo. Murray's prom date hates him. Everybody is spent. "Time" comes on the radio and Murray turns it up loud. DING DING DING RING RING RING CLANG CLANG CLANG. "What the fuck, Murray?!?!?" Everyone shouted at him in the limo.
Pat jumps into 1987's A Momentary Lapse of Reason, the first album without Roger Waters in the band. He plays "Learning to Fly". Big hit for the band, and proof that they could get it done without Waters.
01:25:00 Going back to Dark Side of the Moon, the people talking on the album is a result of Pink Floyd asking people questions. Two of the people interviewed (but not used) were Paul and Linda McCartney. A voice that was on the album was their road manager and audio engineer Peter Watts, father of Naomi. He died three years later of a heroin overdose. Jeeeesus.
1975: Wish You Were Here (my personal favorite Pink Floyd, thank you very much). Syd Barrett comes to the recording sessions; bald, fat, unrecognizable to the band members, and this was only six or seven years later. Just a mess.
"He looks like Uncle Fester."
- Kyle, speaking about 1975 Syd Barrett

"Wow. It doesn't help that there's a lightbulb in his mouth."
- Murray

"That's his Pulse album."
- Pat
01:30:00 Oh no, Addams Family talk brings up MC Hammer's rendition of "Addams Groove." Kyle plays a little and it's as awful you can imagine. Thankfully Darryl puts things back on track with Wish You Were Here by reminding Murray to play his choice. It's "Shine on You Crazy Diamond (Parts VI-IX)". There is a little riff to "See Emily Play" in there as a tribute to Syd. The whole album is basically about Syd.
Pat plays the title track, "Wish You Were Here". Always a favorite.
01:35:00 A few impressions make their way to the forefront: Pat's David Letterman and Darryl's Byron Allen. Hey, we're an hour and 35 minutes in and we're not even out of the 70s yet. Darryl plays the song that opens Wish You Were Here, "Shine on You Crazy Diamond (Parts I-V)". That riff: Dun DUN Dun DUUUUN. So good. Sooooooo good. Meanwhile, massive yawn from Kyle.
01:40:00 Wish You Were Here is Darryl's favorite. He never skips ANYTHING on it. It's the album Murray would sneak away from his older brother to listen to. Darryl's older brother bought Dark Side of the Moon and that's what opened him to Floyd. Meanwhile, Pat's brother Kirk (Kyle's dad) was listening to Andy Williams. You know, like ALL the cool kids. As Kyle and Pat describe him, Kirk Dodson was a 40-year-old man at birth. Perry Como, Neil Diamond, Ed Ames. Patriotic songs. THAT is Kirk Dodson.
01:45:00 Good lord, tangents abound: Murray's album Rusty Cow, the drink Rusty Cow, Laverne and Shirley, Lenny and Squiggy, and the Big Ragu. I don't know, folks. I really don't know. Let's just go to 1977's Animals. Murray plays "Sheep".
01:50:00 That song is a rocker. Animals, like Wish You Were Here, is five songs, with a two-parter ("Pigs on the Wing") bookending the album. Animals is significant for a number of reasons: 1) The In the Flesh tour for Animals was when Waters was getting irritated with the audience, so much so that he spat at one of them during a show. 2) Tensions were building between Waters and Gilmour. 3) Tensions were also building against Richard Wright because Wright enjoyed a little too much of the nose candy. More tangents: Easter candy. Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, Charleston Chews, Bar Nones, Moon Pies, Chunkies. None of these good for Murray's braces.
"What can't you eat now because of those braces?"
- Pat

"Pussy."
- Oh, Kyle
Murray shakes his head. "And on the birth of our Christ, you're gonna bring that up."
01:55:00 Good lord, this thing has turned topsy-turvy. Ever the professional, Darryl takes us to 1979's The Wall. "Donald Trump's favorite album," says Kyle. THE BOY IS ON FIRE! Pat plays his last pick, "Hey You". Roger Waters doing The Wall live was one of Pat's favorite concerts. Other top contenders: U2 and Taylor Swift. Yup, sounds about right.
02:00:00 Off of The Wall, Darryl plays "Comfortably Numb". Pat awkwardly tries to say "comfortably" along with the song. The lyrics, the sound, the guitar solo. It all spoke to Darryl at a certain point in his life and it's stuck with him since. David Gilmour is one of Murray's favorite guitar players and he's also Darryl's favorite Pink Floyd member.
Murray plays the song "Nobody Home".
02:05:00 When Murray took his wife Mary to The Wall live, she was skeptical. Ten minutes in, she was hooked. Hold on, Donal Trump impressions galore. It's a beautiful impression, a yuuuge impression, the best impression. Let's make Rock Solid great again, people. WAIT A MINUTE, REVELATIONS! Pat doesn't like the original Ghostbusters. One of Murray's favorite comedies, but not Pat. "What about Ghostbusters II?" asks Kyle. "Oh, what a raging piece of shit," answers Murray.
02:10:00 We're hopefully winding down. Hopefully. Murray plays "On the Turning Away" off the 1987 album A Momentary Lapse of Reason. At the concert Murray went to on this tour, Murray ran into his 11th-grade English teacher. And she was HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH. The next day at school, it was agreed upon by all to not to talk about it... at least until today's podcast.
02:15:00 Plugs: You can find Darryl on Twitter @DarrylAsher. Murray is heading out to Montana in the summer; maybe he and Darryl will get together, have a few laughs. Flying into Montana is weird because the landing is quite sudden. Kyle finds himself worse with flying. Also go to NeverNotNotes.com to read Darryl's notes from past and present. Kyle has a standup show... on April 14th... so if you have a time machine, you're in luck.
02:20:00 Thanks so much to Darryl for being here and sharing his love for Pink Floyd with all of us, even if said love wasn't fully appreciated by certain people of Pennsylvania origin. Darryl takes us out with "What Do You Want from Me" from the 1994 album The Division Bell.
Time Song Album Artist Who
00:25:00 Arnold Layne Relics Pink Floyd Darryl
00:25:00 Astronomy Domine The Piper at the Gates of Dawn Pink Floyd Murray
00:30:00 Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun A Saucerful of Secrets Pink Floyd Darryl
00:35:00 Remember a Day A Saucerful of Secrets Pink Floyd Murray
00:35:00 Louder Than Words The Endless River Pink Floyd Pat
00:40:00 Cymbaline More Pink Floyd Darryl
00:45:00 If Atom Heart Mother Pink Floyd Murray
00:50:00 Have a Cigar Wish You Were Here Pink Floyd Pat
00:55:00 One of These Days Meddle Pink Floyd Murray
01:00:00 Echoes Meddle Pink Floyd Darryl
01:05:00 Free Four Obscured by Clouds Pink Floyd Murray
01:15:00 The Great Gig in the Sky The Dark Side of the Moon Pink Floyd Murray
01:20:00 Time The Dark Side of the Moon Pink Floyd Darryl
01:20:00 Learning to Fly A Momentary Lapse of Reason Pink Floyd Pat
01:30:00 Shine on You Crazy Diamond (Parts VI-IX) Wish You Were Here Pink Floyd Murray
01:30:00 Wish You Were Here Wish You Were Here Pink Floyd Pat
01:35:00 Shine on You Crazy Diamond (Parts I-V) Wish You Were Here Pink Floyd Darryl
01:45:00 Sheep Animals Pink Floyd Murray
01:55:00 Hey You The Wall Pink Floyd Pat
02:00:00 Comfortably Numb The Wall Pink Floyd Darryl
02:00:00 Nobody Home The Wall Pink Floyd Murray
02:10:00 On the Turning Away A Momentary Lapse of Reason Pink Floyd Murray
02:20:00 What Do You Want from Me The Division Bell George S. Irving Darryl

Episode 249: Want Vs Need



Episode 249: Want Vs Need
Pat and April play their favorite songs with the words "want" or "need" in the title. There will be many tangents and I guarantee "Want V Need" will be more entertaining than "Batman V Superman."
From April 21, 2016

With your hosts:

Pat Francis

April Richardson


00:00:00 Pat, April, and Kyle welcome us to the show. Kyle is sleepy today. Busy day for the tuckered-out youngster. What's April been up to? "How am I supposed to answer this? What's the date this is airing?" Immediately into Trump talk. April isn't a fan of the Donald and his family. We're recording once again at Francis Manor and the topic is Want vs. Need: Songs with the words "want" or "need" in the titles. Simple as that. Batman v. Superman discussion. April will see it opening night, but she doesn't give really a care about the thing. Batfleck does nothing for her. Pat and Kyle are also keeping their expectations low.
"Did I tell you I saw Kanye West at the gym?"
- Pat

"No! ... You go to the gym?!"
- April with the line of the episode (and we're not even five minutes in)
00:05:00 Pat was surprised to see Kanye at a public gym. No fanfare, no TMZ photographers. "Maybe he's on the trial membership," suggests Kyle. Oh, what a lark these opening minutes are. April kicks off the music with this song by Elvis Presley. It's "I Want You, I Need You, I Love You" off the compilation album Elvis' Golden Records. Pat and April ponder the recording time of these 50s songs.
Rock in Peace to Michael Hutchence of INXS. He plays "What You Need" off of Listen Like Thieves.
00:10:00 Pat gets upset when he hears INXS because of what could have been if Hutchence hadn't bit the dust. Luckily April cheers us up with "I Want Your Sex" by George Michael off of the album Faith.
"I'm gonna go so far down the puss meter now," says Pat. Off the album Endless Flight, it's "When I Need You" by Leo Sayer. Memories of Pat slow dancing in high school flood his mind; his slender Pennsylvania frame pressed against his girl. April has no such memories. No guy would slow dance with her. "I was gross," she says. "My teeth were jaaaaacked."
00:15:00 April's next pick is a band called Idlewild. Off the album The Remote Part, it's "I Never Wanted".
Pat plays a track from recent Duran Duran. The song is "All You Need Is Now" off the album All You Need Is Now.
April goes new wave for new wave with "Girl U Want" by Devo off the album Freedom of Choice.
Next up, Pat plays a song from a solo Lindsey Buckingham album. The song is called "I Want You" from an album called Go Insane. It's, um.... interesting. "That could be a Sparks song," April realizes.
00:20:00 April injects some soul into the proceedings with "We Need a Resolution" by Aaliyah off her self-titled album. Rock in Peace, Aaliyah. It's been FIFTEEN YEARS since she died.
The next choice for Pat is a ten out of ten, "I Need to Know" by Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers off the album You're Gonna Get It!.
April is so confused, trying to guess what is on or off Pat's list. She finds one that she alone brought. Off of Sports, it's "I Want a New Drug" by Huey Lewis and the News. Huey doesn't strike Kyle as the kind of guy who does drugs. April's friend did smoke weed with him once. He looks like a narc, agree Pat and Kyle. "He's cool as shit," April defends. "He's got B.D.C. - Big Dick Confidence - He doesn't need to narc on anybody."
00:25:00 Power ballad city, and it's a COVER of "I Want to Know What Love Is". It's Stacee Jaxx..... a.k.a. Tom Cruise (!) and Malin Akerman from the soundtrack to Rock of Ages. April's friend Chris Hardwick originated the role of Stacee Jaxx. He's got a great singing voice. April wants him to put out a straight-up music album, but Chris doesn't want to do it because he thinks he'll be made fun of as the "comedian trying to be serious musician" guy.
April plays an obvious one, "Don't You Want Me" by Human League off the album Dare.
00:30:00 Up next for Pat is Utopia. He plays "I Just Want to Touch You" off the album Deface the Music.
It was only a matter of time before April busted out Morrissey. "Is this the song 'I Want Meat?'" Oh Pat. Morrissey, like April, does not consume meat. Don't get her wrong, though, she still eats like garbage. Candy and sugar and such. This leads to a whole bunch of delicious candy talk like Reese's Cups and Take Fives.
00:35:00 Anyway, April plays "All You Need Is Me" off of Morrissey's Greatest Hits.
Pat plays "I Want to Break Free" by Queen off of The Works. "How many people were at Live Aid?" Pat asks. "80 million? And he made all 80 million people clap in unison." April chuckles at Pat's exaggeration. It always makes her laugh. Back to candy talk: How many full-size Reese's Peanut Butter Cups can April eat in one sitting? "Oh, I will house a four-pack," answers April. Pat answers more questions about bites. Kyle's small mouth can only allow him to take smaller bites, the poor lad. Preferred ratios of candy bar sizes, THIS EPISODE IS GOING SCIENTIFIC!!
00:40:00 In the vein of her Human League pick, April goes with "Do You Really Want to Hurt Me" by Culture Club off the album Kissing to Be Clever.
Pat breaks out some Steve Perry solo, and it's a very young Perry with the song that got him into Journey. The song is "If You Need Me, Call Me" off the compilation album Greatest Hits + Five Unreleased. Some TV talk. April is afraid of the show Bloodline on Netflix. "It's not scary," says Pat. "What are you scared of?" "Kyle Chandler's acting... or lack thereof," says Kyle. April is afraid of a lot of things, especially fake things like ghosts. REMEMBER PEOPLE: APRIL'S BIGGEST FEAR IS CIVIL WAR GHOSTS!!
00:45:00 Pat and Kyle warn that if April is afraid of Civil War ghosts, she should not watch Funky Phantom. He's a ghost who is afraid of ghosts. "I like him, he sounds very reasonable!" she says. April busts those antebellum ghosts with her next pick, "I Want It That Way" by Backstreet Boys off the album Millennium. April loooooves her Backstreet Boys.
"I do like this song."
- Pat

"Because it's a great song. There's zero sarcasm in that."
- April

"I don't like that Nick Carter, though."
- Pat

"HE'S MY FAVORITE!!!! NICK CARTER IS TOTALLY MY FAVORITE!!!"
- April

April sings along to her five hunky heroes. Meanwhile Kyle found Funky Phantom:
April has never heard of Funky Phantom. "He's the worst," says Pat.
Pat highlights former guest of the show Ricky Warwick. Off the album Love Many, Trust Few, the song is called "Anybody Wanna Waste Some Time?".
00:50:00 Always putting the hip in hip hop, April plays "So What'cha Want" by Beastie Boys off the album Check Your Head. BREAKING TEXT NEWS: Dana Gould has texted April that Mike Mills is at the Improv, which is right near April's home. But April isn't there, she's at Pat's house. Gee, thanks Pat. April and Mike actually know each other. "Don't get into an accident while going over there," warns Pat. "If it was Michael Stipe, I would get into an accident," corrects April.
00:55:00 After April gushes over Mr. Stipe, Pat plays The Knack with "I Want Ya" off the album ...But the Little Girls Understand. Pat just got a text from Dana Gould: Rock in Peace Mike Mills. "DON'T YOU SAY THAT!!!!" screams April.
April's next pick is "I Don't Want to Get Over You" by The Magnetic Fields from the album 69 Love Songs. April had to warm up to that.
01:00:00 Pat's last pick of the day is The Kinks. Off of The Ultimate Collection, the song is "I Need You".
This was a super quick, super fun show. April takes us out with "Please, Please, Please, Let Me Get What I Want" by The Smiths off of Hatful of Hollow.
Time Song Album Artist Who
00:05:00 I Want You, I Need You, I Love You Elvis’ Golden Records Elvis Presley April
00:05:00 What You Need Listen Like Thieves INXS Pat
00:10:00 I Want Your Sex Faith George Michael April
00:10:00 When I Need You Endless Flight Leo Sayer Pat
00:15:00 I Never Wanted The Remote Part Idlewild April
00:15:00 All You Need Is Now All You Need Is Now Duran Duran Pat
00:15:00 Girl U Want Freedom of Choice Devo April
00:15:00 I Want You Go Insane Lindsey Buckingham Pat
00:20:00 We Need a Resolution Aaliyah Aaliyan April
00:20:00 I Need to Know You’re Gonna Get It! Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers Pat
00:20:00 I Want a New Drug Sports Huey Lewis and the News April
00:25:00 I Want to Know What Love Is Rock of Ages Soundtrack Tom Cruise and Malin Akerman Pat
00:25:00 Don’t You Want Me Dare Human League April
00:30:00 I Just Want to Touch You Deface the Music Utopia Pat
00:35:00 All You Need Is Me Greatest Hits Morrissey April
00:35:00 I Want to Break Free The Works Queen Pat
00:40:00 Do You Really Want to Hurt Me Kissing to Be Clever Culture Club April
00:40:00 If You Need Me, Call Me Greatest Hits + Five Unreleased Steve Perry Pat
00:45:00 I Want It That Way Millennium Backstreet Boys April
00:45:00 Anybody Wanna Waste Some Time? Love Many Trust Few Ricky Warwick Pat
00:50:00 So What’cha Want Check Your Head Beastie Boys April
00:55:00 I Want Ya …But the Little Girls Understand The Knack Pat
00:55:00 I Don’t Want to Get Over You 69 Love Songs The Magnetic Fields April
01:00:00 I Need You The Ultimate Collection The Kinks Pat
01:00:00 Please, Please, Please, Let Me Get What I Want Hatful of Hollow The Smiths April

Episode 248: The Brothers Gibb



Episode 248: The Brothers Gibb
Smile Train auction winner Josh Fitzgerald takes over the show this week by choosing Christy as his Co-Host and pushing Pat into the Producer's seat. Josh's topic of choice is the music of the Bee Gees so hang up your disco ball and practice your high falsetto for this hit filled episode!
From April 14, 2016

With your hosts:

Christy Stratton

Pat Francis (In the Producer's Chair)


00:00:00 Josh Fitzgerald, Christy, and Producer Pat welcome us to the show. Wait, whaaaaaaaat????? That's right, Josh donated to Smile Train as part of Pardcast-a-Thon 2016 and as a result of his generous giving, he got to host an episode of Rock Solid with a co-host of his choice. He picked Christy, suggested an episode about the Bee Gees, and the rest is history. Christy loves Kyle, but Christy is happy as a clam that she doesn't have to watch this young punk's eyes glaze over. How did Josh discover Rock Solid? He just sort of landed on it while looking for a music podcast, the lucky duck. Christy is surprised that Josh is 31-years-old, yet loves the Bee Gees. As Josh puts it, "I'm a 70-year-old woman in the body of a 30-year-old who looks like he's 16."
00:05:00 Josh donated over six hundred dollars to Smile Train, which means that two very lucky children born with cleft palates get to have surgeries to get them fixed. Pat, Jimmy, and Matt went to Mexico to meet those kids and watch the surgeries, and he knows firsthand how helpful Josh's donation is to those kids and their families. Round of applause for Josh. When he won, Josh made a list of episode ideas and the co-hosts that he would host them with. A Smiths episode with April, an instrumental episode with Murray, a Kinks episode with Mike, or a prog rock episode with Pat. But he settled on Christy because she is wonderful. "Oh thank you," says Christy. "You've changed a third life today." Pat, meanwhile, HAS A FAN LETTER! Matthew from Iowa thanks Pat and the gang for the free CD and for producing a great podcast. Okay, back to Josh. He flew in from Buffalo to see family for Easter and to record the podcast. They're recording on March 31st, which is actually Christy and her husband Gary's 9th wedding anniversary! Congrats!
00:10:00 Any celebratory plans? "Eh, we went skiing a while back." Alright then. Now, THE BEE GEES. They're a top five band for Josh. Others? Beatles, Yes (yeah!), ABBA, and The Kinks. It should be obvious that this is an all Bee Gees show. Christy loves them so much. She says there's something undeniable about a good melody. The three Gibbs: Barry, Maurice, and Robin. Barry is the oldest and the only one still kicking. Even the youngest, Andy, is dead. Christy and Josh are both going chronologically.
00:15:00 Josh kicks us off with a song off the first Bee Gees album The Bee Gees Sing and and Play 14 Barry Gibb Songs. The song is called "Wine and Women". Barry was 15. Maurice and Robin were 13. Holy smokes, they were young. Christy brings up a rare Bee Gees documentary called Keppel Road.
Christy's first pick is off the album Bee Gees' 1st. The song is "I Can't See Nobody". Hoo boy, Robin's voice is... interesting. I had a hard time trying to describe it until Christy called Robin's voice "goaty." Yup, that about does it.
00:20:00 Pat likes when bands have different sounds as their career progresses. Josh doesn't think of the Bee Gees as innovators, but as perfecters. Josh's next pick is a live version of a song called "Morning of My Life" off the album Melody. Christy brings up the documentary again and how there is a lot of missing footage.
Christy's next pick is also off of Bee Gees' 1st. It's the song "To Love Somebody", which was originally written for Otis Redding before he died.
00:25:00 The conversation turns to the various hairlines of the Brothers Gibb. Maurice and Robin sure did love their hats and wigs. Josh's then plays the Bee Gees' first hit, "Spicks and Specks" from the album Spicks and Specks.
00:30:00 Pat makes the big mistake of bringing up Vinyl, which sets off Christy. She still hates it, and she's frustrated because the people involved are so good. And it's very strange to watch Ray Romano snort cocaine and have sex with hookers. Josh manages to turn Christy's frown upside down when he mentions how much he loves Everyone's Crazy but Us. Christy's joy translates into her introduction of her next pick, "Massachusetts" off the album Horizontal.
00:35:00 Christy laments how she's never been to Massachusetts. Pat relates a story about how he and his wife Pilar were in Winchester, MA (her hometown) and how some random guy drove by and called Pat a "faggot" for no reason. Yup, welcome to Massachusetts. Josh then plays his next song, "Holiday" off of Bee Gees' 1st. Christy is amazed about how aware the Bee Gees were of their lives at such a young age. Christy also brought some videos. Here is Elvis Presley singing "Words."
00:40:00 Christy hates how Elvis never formally recorded it because Colonel Tom Parker would have taken all the publishing. ELVIS DETOUR! When Elvis would go on radio shows, there would be a code that told the audience that Elvis was white. This brings up the topic of white artists appropriating black music, something that Elvis and the Bee Gees were both guilty of. Christy doesn't think they were being evil, they just wanted to make that music their own. Josh takes us back to the Bee Gees with a groovy tune called "Every Christian Lion Hearted Man Will Show You" from the album Bee Gees' 1st.
00:45:00 Christy brings up a British movie called Melody that the Bee Gees did the soundtrack for. She saw the movie when she was a kid and was enamored with it. Love, wonder, Barry Gibb. It was all so much for young Christy. She plays a song called "Melody Fair" from the album Odessa.
"Who is the girl with the crying face?"
- Barry Gibb, singing the song

"Me!"
- Christy
Pat jumps in! He's gonna play songs by the other brother, Andy Gibb. The youngest, and most handsome, of the Brothers Gibb.
00:50:00 Pat plays the Barry-penned hit "I Just Want to Be Your Everything" off the album Flowing Rivers. Pat, Josh, and Christy agree that songs back then were much more airy and melodic. And the Bee Gees are great songwriters, even if their names don't end in Lennon or McCartney. This leads to Beatles talk.
Why so serious? Josh plays "I Started a Joke" off the album Idea. Christy loves when Christian Bale sung it in The Fighter because it allowed her to connect.
00:55:00 Up next for Christy is a deep cut, "Sun in My Morning", found on the box set Tales from the Brothers Gibb: A History in Song. It's a country ballad, and Christy loves how in-tune these guys were with their emotions at such a young age. Pat wonders if it was because they had a rough childhood, but Christy and Josh disagree.
Josh's next pick is the oddly-titled "Lemons Never Forget", which is theorized as a jab at The Beatles. The song is off the album Horizontal.
01:00:00 Speaking of produce, Christy wants to talk about the album Cucumber Castle. The album only features Barry and Maurice because of tensions between Robin and Barry. Robin recorded an album, while Barry and Maurice did Cucumber Castle. Josh describes it as their Magical Mystery Tour, complete with a film. Christy plays a song called "If I Only Had My Mind on Something Else".
01:05:00 As someone who only knows the hits, Pat wonders which Bee Gees album to get to jump into the catalogue. Josh recommends Bee Gees' 1st or Idea. Josh backtracks a bit and plays the song that was partially responsible for Robin's departure, "Lamplight" off the album Odessa. Robin wanted it to be the first single off Odessa, but Barry's song "First of May" was picked instead, while "Lamplight" was put on as the B-side.
01:10:00 Christy plays another country ditty, a solo Barry tune called "I'll Kiss Your Memory" from Tales from the Brothers Gibb: A History in Song. Oh, what a fun episode. Wine is flowing, notebooks are out, cheese spreads are fully displayed. It's a good day.
Josh follows this with a technically-solo Maurice song, "On Time", also from Tales from the Brothers Gibb: A History in Song.
01:15:00 Barry's son Steve (a heavy metal musician) sang it a few years ago when Christy saw Barry at the Hollywood Bowl a few years ago. She was the youngest person there. She had her wine and cheese too, of course. Christy was BAWLING for most of it. Barry's voice sounded good. Not amazing, but not mediocre. Again, she was BAWLING. Christy wipes away the tears in her memory and plays her next pick, "Lonely Days" off of 2 Years On, the 1970 reunion album between all three brothers. The song was their first number one in America.
01:20:00 Pat contests that the song only went to number three, but it was number one according to Cashbox. Josh's next pick has a title that does not appear in the lyrics. "Like 'Trampled Under Foot'," says Christy. "Or 'The Crunge'," responds Pat. "Grrrrr," says Christy. Reminder: She doesn't like "The Crunge." Josh plays "Portrait of Louise" off of 2 Years On. Pat brings up Barry and Barbra Streisand hugging on the cover of Streisand's Guilty album. Christy wanted Diedrich Bader and Janet Varney to recreate it for the webseries, along with Rumours, Make It Big, and Freewheelin' Bob Dylan.
01:25:00 Christy's next song is the big hit, "How Can You Mend a Broken Heart" off the album Trafalgar. Christy loves how they can be masculine and heavy, but also sweet. This was the start of the second wave of their career. The gang wonders why Robin got back together with the brothers. "Their ma probably wanted them to get back together," says Pat.
Josh's next song is also off Trafalgar. It's a song called "Somebody Stop the Music".
01:30:00 The Bee Gees have a very big output: 22 studio albums, 83 singles. And by the time they put out Trafalgar, they weren't even 30. Christy decides to skip her next song so that Josh can showcase a song called "Paper Mache, Cabbages, and Kings" off the album To Whom It May Concern. It's a Robin song that absolutely confounds the fragile eggshell of Christy's mind. She is LITERALLY WEEPING!!! Words are failing her. And that song went to number 8 on the Danish charts.
01:35:00 Good god, we need a palate cleanser. Pat plays "(Love Is) Thicker Than Water" by Andy off the album Flowing Rivers. Don't do drugs, kids. Cocaine took Andy away at too young an age. Very sad.
Christy takes the Bee Gees to America with an album called Main Course with producer Arif Mardin. This was when they were really crafting the Bee Gees sound that people know and love. She plays a song called "Nights on Broadway".
01:40:00 Before Main Course, the first album the Bee Gees did with Mardin called Mr. Natural.The song is called "Dogs".
01:45:00 Christy goes back to Main Course. She plays a song called "Wind of Change". This is quite a history lesson on the Bee Gees.
Josh decides to go full funk with the song "Boogie Child" off the album Children of the World. That is a funky brew if I've ever heard one. Christy says that the guys weren't trying to be disco, they were trying to be R&B.
01:50:00 Christy goes back to Main Course AGAIN with a love song called "Fanny (Be Tender with My Love)". A young Christy couldn't believe that a person's name could be Fanny. Of course in England, fanny means the front-end of the business, while in America it's the back-end. Oh, what a fun dissection of cultures!
Pat brings back Andy with his song "Shadow Dancing" off the album Shadow Dancing. All four brothers wrote the song like it was nothing.
01:55:00 One more time, Christy goes to Main Course. She plays the big hit "Jive Talkin'". Christy loves it SO MUCH! "It's satisfying as a Snickers."
It was only a matter of time (TWO HOURS) before we got to the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack. Josh plays the slower "How Deep Is Your Love". Christy and Gary danced to that song at their wedding. Awwwwwwwwwwww. Christy chose it because it's fun and kitschy, but also sweet and tender. Christy remembers the phenomenon of Saturday Night Fever. It hit multiple generations (even if it probably shouldn't have). Not a kids movie, folks. They did trim it down to a PG version, though.
02:00:00 Christy says it still holds up. As for the sequel Stayin' Alive... not so much. But Christy brings it back to SNF with the song "You Should Be Dancing". When Christy was taught baby CPR, you are supposed to do it to the beat of "Stayin' Alive." Consequently, that song has the same beat of "Another One Bites the Dust." Yeah, let's go with the first one.
02:05:00 Josh moves on from Saturday Night Fever and onto the follow-up album Spirits Having Flown. He plays the title track "Spirits (Having Flown)". Barry sings lead on every song, probably because the falsetto vocal was becoming a thing.
Christy has her own song from Spirits Having Flown called "Love You Inside Out". Hold on, Pat takes a phone call. Pat's daughter wants him to come home. I mean, we've been here for over TWO HOURS talking Bee Gees. Families have been affected, people!
02:10:00 After the anti-disco backlash (which elicits a moan from Christy), the band put out an album called Living Eyes. Josh plays a song called "Wildflower".
Christy's next pick is actually a song that the Bee Gees wrote, but gave to another artist to sing. It's "Emotion" by Samantha Sang off the album Emotion. Barry sings background vocals. Pat is amazed that they would give that song away, along with others, especially since that they were so big at the time.
02:15:00 Following a six-year hiatus after Living Eyes, the Bee Gees put out an album called E.S.P.. Josh plays the song "You Win Again". Very 80s production. Pat and Christy ruminate on the show topic of happy sounding songs, but very sad lyrics.
Christy's last song, you guys. She was obsessed with Bee Gees in the 90s because of the internet and its limitless possibilities. As Christy remembers it, "What, I can go on eBay and buy Billy Thorpe albums? What?" She even became a card-carrying member of Bee Gees Quarterly. Christy plays the song "I Surrender" off the album Still Waters. Oh. My. God.
02:20:00 Christy doesn't want this show to end, but it has to. All good things... Josh was excellent as a host. Thanks again to his donation to Smile Train. In total, Pardcast-a-Thon raised $181,000. Holy smokes. Thanks to Christy for bringing her love and knowledge of the Bee Gees to this shindig. You can find Josh on Twitter @joshsfitz61885.
02:25:00 Josh takes us out with the song "This Is Where I Came In" off the last Bee Gees album, This Is Where I Came In.


Time Song Album Artist Who
00:15:00 Wine and Women The Bee Gees Play and Sing 14 Barry Gibb Songs Bee Gees Josh
00:15:00 I Can’t See Nobody Bee Gees’ 1st Bee Gees Christy
00:20:00 Morning of My Life (Live) Melody Bee Gees Josh
00:20:00 To Love Somebody Bee Gees’ 1st Bee Gees Christy
00:25:00 Spicks and Specks Spicks and Specks Bee Gees Josh
00:30:00 Massachusetts Horizontal Bee Gees Christy
00:35:00 Holiday Bee Gees’ 1st Bee Gees Josh
00:40:00 Every Christian Lion Hearted Man Will Show You Bee Gees’ 1st Bee Gees Josh
00:45:00 Melody Fair Odessa Bee Gees Christy
00:50:00 I Just Want to Be Your Everything Flowing Rivers Andy Gibb Pat
00:50:00 I Started a Joke Idea Bee Gees Josh
00:55:00 Sun in My Morning Tales from the Brothers Gibb: A History in Song Bee Gees Christy
00:55:00 Lemons Never Forget Horizontal Bee Gees Josh
01:00:00 If I Only Had My Mind on Something Else Cucumber Castle Bee Gees Christy
01:05:00 Lamplight Odessa Bee Gees Josh
01:10:00 I’ll Kiss Your Memory Tales from the Brothers Gibb: A History in Song Barry Gibb Christy
01:10:00 On Time Tales from the Brothers Gibb: A History in Song Bee Gees Josh
01:15:00 Lonely Days 2 Years On Bee Gees Christy
01:20:00 Portrait of Louise 2 Years On Bee Gees Josh
01:25:00 How Can You Mend a Broken Heart Trafalgar Bee Gees Christy
01:25:00 Somebody Stop the Music Trafalgar Bee Gees Josh
01:30:00 Paper Mache, Cabbages, and Kings To Whom It May Concern Bee Gees Josh
01:35:00 (Love Is) Thicker Than Water Flowing Rivers Andy Gibb Pat
01:35:00 Nights on Broadway Main Course Bee Gees Christy
01:40:00 Dogs Mr. Natural Bee Gees Josh
01:45:00 Wind of Change Main Course Bee Gees Christy
01:45:00 Boogie Child Children of the World Bee Gees Josh
01:50:00 Fanny (Be Tender with My Love) Main Course Bee Gees Christy
01:50:00 Shadow Dancing Shadow Dancing Andy Gibb Pat
01:55:00 Jive Talkin’ Main Course Bee Gees Christy
01:55:00 How Deep Is Your Love Saturday Night Fever Bee Gees Josh
02:00:00 You Should Be Dancing Saturday Night Fever Bee Gees Christy
02:05:00 Spirits (Having Flown) Spirits Having Flown Bee Gees Josh
02:05:00 Love You Inside Out Spirits Having Flown Bee Gees Christy
02:10:00 Wildflower Living Eyes Bee Gees Josh
02:10:00 Emotion Emotion Samantha Sang feat. Barry Gibb Christy
02:15:00 You Win Again E.S.P. Bee Gees Josh
02:15:00 I Surrender Still Waters Bee Gees Christy
02:25:00 This Is Where I Came In This Is Where I Came In Bee Gees Josh

Episode 247: Cheap Trick School



Episode 247: Cheap Trick School
On the eve of their induction into the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame and with a brand new album released last week it is time for Pat, and his often mentioned "Concert Wife" Suzanne Dillingham, to teach you all a little something about Cheap Trick.
From April 7, 2016

With your host:

Pat Francis


00:00:00 Pat welcomes us to the show. Joining today as guest co-host is the often talked about "concert wife," Ms. Suzanne Dillingham! Today we are covering Pat and Suzanne's favorite band ever, Cheap Trick. Pat's first CT album was Cheap Trick at Budokan, Suzanne's first was Standing on the Edge. Pat remembers buying Budokan seeing two heartthrobs on the cover (Robin and Tom) and two absolute nerds on the back (Rick and Bun E.). There was something for everyone. Then Pat bought Cheap Trick and he's been hooked ever since. Suzanne got sucked in with "Tonight's It You," so she bought the album and that was that. A little backstory on Pat and Suzanne: She was a waitress at a comedy club in Indianapolis, which is how she knows a lot of comedians, including Jimmy Pardo. Comedians and wait staff would hang out a lot and become friends.
00:05:00 But Pat and Suzanne met in Los Angeles in the 90s when Suzanne worked at a talent agency. Afterwards she became a registered nurse. Now she's part-nurse, part-tour manager. Suzanne works for the YouTube star Miranda Sings. She gets to be on a tour bus and everything. The bus driver claims to have driven Cheap Trick, but he won't spill any stories, the bastard. Anyway, Pat and Suzanne go to concerts all the time, which earned Suzanne the nickname "concert wife." The first time they saw Cheap Trick was a small show at the Roxy; Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley were there too! It was a real Pat Francis dream night. After the show, they went to Tower Records where the whole band was doing a signing.
00:10:00 Then Pat and Suzanne saw Cheap Trick do a full album show (they played their debut album in its entirety), which was actually a week after Pat and his actual wife Pilar got married. Pilar's friends were at the show, giving Pat the stink eye because they thought Pat was pulling a fast one (and a hard one as well, hey now), but Pilar straightened them out. Pat and Suzanne have seen them at least ten times, including a Dream Police show at the Greek Theatre where Suzanne took a picture with Robin Zander. Fireworks! Pat just lists off the many times he has seen Cheap Trick live. To make a long story short, Pat and Suzanne love Cheap Trick. So they are going to play songs off of Cheap Trick's studio albums. What does Suzanne love about Cheap Trick? It's hard to quantify. She's just happy when they come on, they're fun, and they're "straight up rock and roll."
00:15:00 Pat loves a nice four-piece band: Vocals, Guitar, Bass, and Drums. He's only seen Cheap Trick be bad one time. Something was a little off. But a Cheap Trick off night is still good. Hell, Pat and Suzanne even saw the ROBIN ZANDER BAND with Mike Schmidt. Yes, that Robin Zander Band with the awful merchandise. We start with the debut album, 1977's Cheap Trick, produced by Jack Douglas of Aerosmith album fame. Pat starts us off with the final track on the album, "Oh, Candy". All four members' talents are showcased front and center. Pat, in Geoff Tate fashion, gives the first album a 10 out of 10. Suzanne agrees.
Suzanne's track from the debut album is "Mandocello".
00:20:00 Pat continues to praise the merits of the debut album. The album came out in February 1977; a few months later, September 1977 brings us album two, In Color. It's a poppier album. Pat's pick is another "Oh" song, this time called "Oh Caroline". The album cover is badass, with Robin and Tom on the bikes. On the back, Rick and Bun E. are on mopeds. It's genius!
00:25:00 For the first five or six albums, Rick Nielsen wrote most of the songs himself. That goofy hat has a lot of talent under it. Suzanne plays the studio version of "I Want You to Want Me", which sounds like it belongs at a 1950s sock hop in Kentucky. It's like a new song, it sounds so different. The other song from In Color that Suzanne plays is "Downed".
Not even a year later, the band releases Heaven Tonight, which is Pat's favorite Cheap Trick album.
00:30:00 Pat plays the track "Stiff Competition". Oh, by the way, In Color is a 10 out of 10.
Suzanne picks a very upbeat song about suicide (geez, this band sure has a lot of them) called "Auf Wiedersehen". Once again, it's a 10 out of 10. Somewhere in America (probably on an episode of Doug Loves Movies), Geoff Tate cocks his head. A proud smile creeps across his face. Much like Kiss, their first three studio albums did not sell well. But their big break was Cheap Trick at Budokan.
00:35:00 Budokan was originally a Japanese release, but people in America were requesting it so often at record stores that the label, Epic, decided to release it in America. The fourth album, Dream Police, comes out in 1979 and it's the first with all four members on the cover. Rick Nielsen has a chainsaw, there's an errant mannequin, Bun E. looks like he's an alternate universe version of the Big Boss Man. It's wonderful. A lot of great songs on this one. Pat plays "The House Is Rockin' (with Domestic Problems)".
00:40:00 Suzanne's pick from Dream Police is the nine-minute epic "Gonna Raise Hell". She has three different time cues because the song is so long and changes so much. Never gets boring, even at nine minutes.
00:45:00 And now, Mike Damone:
After Dream Police, the band released a four-song EP called Found All the Parts. Dream Police, 10 out of 10 from Pat. This EP, 10 out of 10. Pat plays a track called "Such a Good Girl". Suzanne picked the same song.
The next full studio, produced by GEORGE MARTIN (R.I.P.), was All Shook Up. Cheap Trick loves the Beatles, George Martin worked with the Beatles, Cheap Trick were known as the "American Beatles" in Japan. It's a perfect fit. Pat gives it... a 9 out of 10. More on that later. Pat first saw Cheap Trick on this tour. UFO opened for them, people in front of him were snorting cocaine, it was NUTS! Then Pat saw them again and Krokus opened for the band. Motherfuckin' KROKUS!
00:50:00 Pat plays the opening track of the album, "Stop This Game". Pat remembers Cheap Trick having a giant laser-shooting eyeball on stage. Like I said, NUTS!
The song Suzanne picks is "Just Got Back". Pat likes the songs, but he feels like the last track, "Who D'King," is a letdown. Hence the 9 out of 10. But Suzanne doesn't mind it, so it's a 10 out of 10.
00:55:00 When they toured the album, Tom Peterssen was out of the band. Pete Comita replaced him for the tour, then they replaced Pete with a bassist named Jon Brant. The first album with Jon is 1982's One on One, produced by Roy Thomas Baker. Phew, learning a lot here at Cheap Trick School. Pat was a little disappointed with the production given Baker's discography (Cars, Journey, Foreigner, Queen). It's a noisy album, while Pat expected something slick and smooth. He plays the title track, "One on One". There's just a fuzziness to it, Pat and Kyle agree.
01:00:00 Suzanne doesn't know anything about production, she just puts the album on and listens. Her choice from the album is "Love's Got a Hold on Me". Despite his problems with the production, Pat really likes the album a lot. 9 out of 10. And despite not being in the band, Tom Peterssen does play these early-to-mid-80s songs... unlike other bands (cough, Van Halen, cough).
The next album is 1983's Next Position Please, produced by Todd Rundgren. Pat rode his bike all the way to the mall just to pick up the last copy of the album at the record store.
01:05:00 There were 12 songs on the LP, the cassette and CD had 14. Then the "Authorized" re-issue in 2006 has 16 songs! Pat plays the title track, "Next Position Please". There is a lot of this album to go around. Suzanne has two picks, the first being "Borderline". The other pick is "Don't Make Our Love a Crime".
01:10:00 Pat goes to this album a lot, but he wouldn't give it a 10 out of 10. It's not an album for everyone. Suzanne gives it a 9.
We move on to 1985's Standing on the Edge, which was Suzanne's first Cheap Trick album and was produced by Jack Douglas, who did the first album. Pat questions Jack's "recreational activities" because this album is all over the place. Pat plays a song called "Love Comes". Big 80s ballad production. Pat and Suzanne agree that this album has some clunkers in it. Pat gives it a 7 out of 10.
01:15:00 Pat and Suzanne go over the creepy lyrics of "Little Sister" before Suzanne plays her pick, the amazing hit "Tonight It's You". At this stage of the game, the record company isn't really pushing Cheap Trick. It also doesn't help that the album isn't great. Rick Nielsen's name isn't even spelled correctly on the back!
Okay people. It's time. We have come to the part of the show where we must turn our heads away in shame. Shame for the album cover. Shame for the music. Shame for everyone involved, really. Yes, it's time to talk about 1986's The Doctor. Kyle thinks that if you take off the doctor from the cover and just leave the swirly stuff, it would be okay. But even so...
01:20:00 It's very keyboard-heavy and a lot of it doesn't sound like Cheap Trick. Pat proves this with his pick, "It's Up to You". Again, synthesizers up the wazoo. Admittedly, Pat and Suzanne do like some songs on the album. But there's a lot of shit. Suzanne's pick, again, proves this. It's called "Rearview Mirror Romance". Her other pick is "Take Me to the Top". This is rough for Pat. "There is nothing wrong with this song," says Suzanne. But it's not the Cheap Trick that Pat is familiar with and loves. It doesn't work with this band; it also doesn't hold up.
01:25:00 All Cheap Trick fans will pretty much agree that this is rock bottom for the band. The label is not happy. Something has to change. After college, Pat was living with his aunt in Maryland, working third shift for UPS. Just a horrible time in his life. But then, 1988's Lap of Luxury was released. Pat was watching MTV and they promoted the new Cheap Trick music video. Pat wondered how cool it would be if Tom Peterssen came back into the band. And wouldn't you know it, the video starts with Robin and Tom walking onscreen. Pat Carnac, over here. The record company was heavily involved with the album, including helping with songwriting duties. The band didn't like it, but it certainly helped; "The Flame" went to #1. Pat plays the opening track, "Let Go". The album was produced by Richie Zito, former guest.
Suzanne's pick from the album is "Never Had a Lot to Lose".
01:30:00 If there was a Cheap Trick comeback, it's this one. Pat gives it an 8 out of 10. The next album, also produced by Zito, is 1990's Busted. Pat and Suzanne both like Busted better than Lap of Luxury, but the album "didn't do dick," as Pat describes. He plays the opening track, "Back 'n Blue". Almost every magazine took a shiny dump on this album.
01:35:00 Pat gives it a 10 out of 10. Suzanne picks "If You Need Me" because when she saw him play with the Robin Zander Band, he sang it while looking right at her. Of course the concert was in a bar, but still. Since Busted didn't sell what they wanted, Epic cuts Cheap Trick loose and the band goes to Warner Bros. 1994 gives us Woke Up with a Monster, which might be the worst album cover ever (even worse than The Doctor). Scary clown? Check. Ugly hooker? Check. NO ICONIC CHEAP TRICK LOGO?!?!?! Check. Ah jeez. Pat plays "Girlfriends".
01:40:00 It's produced by Ted Templeman of Van Halen and Doobie Brothers fame. Pat likes the album, but the album cover almost ruins the experience. Suzanne plays the song "Tell Me Everything". Pat gives the whole album a 7 out of 10. The good songs are great. Other songs are not.
01:45:00 The album also did not sell well, so Warner Bros wished them the best in their future endeavors. Cheap Trick goes to an independent label called Red Ant and releases their second self-titled album, Cheap Trick '97. Pat and Suzanne agree that this is one of the best, both in music and in album cover. Pat immediately fell in love. This is old school Cheap Trick at its finest. Pat plays the song "Anytime". Heavy stuff, and it really showcases Robin's ability to scream.
Suzanne sticks with the same anger and the same vocal stylings with the song "You Let a Lotta People Down".
01:50:00 THREE WEEKS after the album is released, Red Ant goes kaput. The band spends six years without a new album, all the while still touring like crazy. This was when Pat saw them the most. It was the longest period without new music. Finally, the band releases 2003's Special One. Pat plays the lead single "Scent of a Woman". Suzanne gives this a 10, not so for Pat due to the last two songs. This wasn't an immediate love for Pat like Cheap Trick '97; it grew on him.
The song Suzanne picks from the album is called "Words".
01:55:00 Three years later, the band releases Rockford. Pat and Kyle LOVE the album cover. Pat gives this a solid 10. Every song is fun. Pat plays the track "Give It Away". Pat made sure to recommend this album to everywhere. Suzanne saw them play at a county fair and it broke. her. heart.
Suzanne plays the track "Perfect Stranger".
02:00:00 There are only a few songs that Suzanne does not like... and "Man-U-Lip-U-Lator" is not one of them. My word. Anyway, another three years pass and Cheap Trick puts out another album, The Latest. "Hey have you heard The Latest by Cheap Trick?" (whistle noise, fart sound). Pat and Kyle don't think the title and album cover (the band on the beach with metal detectors and Rick buried up to his head) work together. The album starts off with a funeral dirge called "Sleep Forever," which is a mistake. There are remakes of solo Robin songs. And one of the songs was originally a Pepsi jingle. Kyle plays it:
Then Pat plays the song that was made from it, "Everyday You Make Me Crazy." Suzanne's perception of the song is now ruined.
02:05:00 Pat was disappointed by the album, but he does like some of it, including "Sick Man of Europe". It took Suzanne a little while to warm up to the album, but she can listen to it. Pat hardly ever plays it.
The song Suzanne picks is called "Miracle". Big Lennon influence, there. The album got good reviews, but it doesn't connect with Pat. He wishes they would have spent a bit more time on it.
02:10:00 Pat and Suzanne expect to see Cheap Trick on tour in the summer when they open for Heart and Joan Jett. Suzanne doesn't like it when Cheap Trick opens for bands, but that is the nature of the game. This is the longest time between studio albums, about 7 years. And they're finally getting into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame after being eligible for years. Their new album, Bang, Zoom, Crazy... Hello has not been released at the time of this recording. Pat, Kyle, and Suzanne all shake their heads at the title. Bun E. is out of the band (band infighting, what else is new) and Rick's son, Daxx, has taken his place. Pat doesn't like it, but they're not getting rid of Zander. No way. Kyle says no big deal, Bun E. is a curmudgeon. Suzanne sticks up for Bun E. "Of course he's a grump, they made him dress like a social studies teacher!"
02:15:00 Thanks to Suzanne for enrolling in Cheap Trick School, this was a ton of fun. It was also a long one, whew boy. You can find Suzanne on Twitter @sdillingham.
Pat takes us out with the first single from Bang, Zoom, Crazy... Hello called "No Direction Home".
Time Song Album Artist Who
00:15:00 Oh, Candy Cheap Trick Cheap Trick Pat
00:15:00 Mandocello Cheap Trick Cheap Trick Suzanne
00:20:00 Oh Caroline In Color Cheap Trick Pat
00:25:00 I Want You to Want Me In Color Cheap Trick Suzanne
00:25:00 Downed In Color Cheap Trick Suzanne
00:30:00 Stiff Competition Heaven Tonight Cheap Trick Pat
00:30:00 Auf Wiedersehen Heaven Tonight Cheap Trick Suzanne
00:35:00 The House Is Rockin’ (with Domestic Problems) Dream Police Cheap Trick Pat
00:40:00 Gonna Raise Hell Dream Police Cheap Trick Suzanne
00:45:00 Such a Good Girl Found All the Parts EP Cheap Trick Pat
00:50:00 Stop This Game All Shook Up Cheap Trick Pat
00:50:00 Just Got Back All Shook Up Cheap Trick Suzanne
00:55:00 One On One One on One Cheap Trick Pat
01:00:00 Love’s Got a Hold on Me One on One Cheap Trick Suzanne
01:05:00 Next Position Please Next Position Please Cheap Trick Pat
01:05:00 Borderline Next Position Please Cheap Trick Suzanne
01:05:00 Don’t Make Our Love A Crime Next Position Please Cheap Trick Suzanne
01:10:00 Love Comes Standing on the Edge Cheap Trick Pat
01:15:00 Tonight It’s You Standing on the Edge Cheap Trick Suzanne
01:20:00 It’s Up to You The Doctor Cheap Trick Pat
01:20:00 Rearview Mirror Romance The Doctor Cheap Trick Suzanne
01:20:00 Take Me to the Top The Doctor Cheap Trick Suzanne
01:25:00 Let Go Lap of Luxury Cheap Trick Pat
01:30:00 Never Had a Lot to Lose Lap of Luxury Cheap Trick Suzanne
01:30:00 Back ’n Blue Busted Cheap Trick Pat
01:35:00 If You Need Me Busted Cheap Trick Suzanne
01:35:00 Girlfriends Woke Up with a Monster Cheap Trick Pat
01:40:00 Tell Me Everthing Woke Up with a Monster Cheap Trick Suzanne
01:40:00 Anytime Cheap Trick ‘97 Cheap Trick Pat
01:45:00 You Let a Lotta People Down Cheap Trick ‘97 Cheap Trick Suzanne
01:50:00 Scent of a Woman Special One Cheap Trick Pat
01:50:00 Words Special One Cheap Trick Suzanne
01:55:00 Give It Away Rockford Cheap Trick Pat
01:55:00 Perfect Stranger Rockford Cheap Trick Suzanne
02:05:00 Sick Man of Europe The Latest Cheap Trick Pat
02:05:00 Miracle The Latest Cheap Trick Suzanne
02:15:00 No Direction Home Bang, Zoom, Crazy… Hello Cheap Trick Pat

Episode 246: The Rolling Stones: 1964 - 1969



Episode 246: The Rolling Stones: 1964 - 1969
Pat and Co-Host Mike Siegel pay tribute to the first decade of The Rolling Stones recorded history. Kyle Dodson produces and satisfaction is guaranteed.
From March 31, 2016

With your hosts:

Pat Francis

Mike Siegel


00:00:00 Pat and Mike welcome us to the show. It's nice to see the Snowman back on the podcast, especially a Francis Manor. He's been very busy, performing stand up comedy on cruise ship and engaging in weekly bitch sessions with Christy about the TV show Vinyl. Mike likes to hate watch. Some more TV talk, as well as the topics of non-aging actors and greying facial hair, before Pat and Mike delve into today's topic: The 1960s output of The Rolling Stones.
00:05:00 The guys both love the Rolling Stones. They discuss how the Stones are the last of the epic British 60s rock bands (Stones, Who, Kinks, Beatles) to still be together after all these years. The Beatles' whole career was the 60s, but in this decade the Stones were just getting started. Rock Solid will break up the decades. Mike wants to stick around the 70s episode, but will tag out after that. Stones in the 60s had different US and UK album releases, a number of compilation albums, but for the most part both sides of the Atlantic had the same songs. Pat starts us off with the first Rolling Stones single ever released. Off the compilation album Big Hits (High Tide and Green Grass), the song is "Come On". The real early Stones stuff was all covers.
00:10:00 The first pick for Mike is "Heart of Stone" off the album The Rolling Stones, Now!. That is an early Jagger/Richards composition. Mike then plays the first Jagger/Richards song released as an A-side single, "Tell Me (You're Coming Back)" off their debut album The Rolling Stones. Finally, Mike plays the song that was released as part of the first full Jagger/Richards single. It's "The Last Time" off the album Out of Our Heads.
00:15:00 Here is the classic 60s lineup: Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Bill Wyman, Charlie Watts, and Brian Jones. Mike gives props to Jones for starting the band, forming the lineup, and playing multiple instruments. He calls him an unsung hero. Pat's next pick is off the 1967 album Between the Buttons. Pat considers this album and Aftermath are equivalent to Rubber Soul and Revolver. He plays "Let's Spend the Night Together". It's incredible how that song was considered too racy for Ed Sullivan.
00:20:00 Pat thinks the Stones didn't have the best individual players, but when you put them together, it works. Mike says you can argue for Jagger and Richards, but with Watts and Wyman, it really was a case of "Yeah, let's stick these two faces for radio in the back." Watts admits that the band doesn't follow him on drums, because he follows Keith. That's why they sound the way they do. Mike laments still not having seen the Stones live before playing his next song. Off of Aftermath, it's "Paint It Black". It's certainly a bit different than those blues covers. Something tells me Muddy Waters didn't even know what a sitar was.
Pat plays his own track from Aftermath called "Out of Time".
00:25:00 On Aftermath, Jones plays guitar, piano, organ, harpsichord, marimba, sitar, Appalachian dulcimer (a what?), harmonica, and koto (again, a what?). A very talented man. Pat and Mike discuss his death. Around the time of Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed, Jones was an absolute mess. Drugs had ruined him. The band decided to cut him loose. A month later, he was found dead at the bottom of his pool. Sad, sad story. Meanwhile Pat once had a pool guy named Brian Jones. He used to be Gene Simmons' pool guy, who made fun of him all the time. Oh Gene. Mike plays "Under My Thumb" off of Aftermath.
00:30:00 Pat plays a big song off an American album called December's Children (and Everybody's). The song is "Get Off of My Cloud".
Here's a song for all you Worrisome Willie's out there. Mike plays "19th Nervous Breakdown" off of Big Hits (High Tide and Green Grass). Mike wonders if writing a stand up bit is like writing a song. Some comedians are prolific and have decades of legendary bits, while others are one-hit wonders.
Up next for Pat is a song off of Out of Our Heads. It's called "Play with Fire". The song is credited to Nanker Phelge, which was a collective pseudonym for the band's group compositions.
00:35:00 There are so many 60s songs that the Stones don't play anymore, if ever. Mike's wheelhouse is the later 60s, 70s stuff. The first album he (and Pat) bought was Tattoo You. His next pick is off of The Rolling Stones No. 2. The song is "Everybody Needs Somebody to Love".
Pat has a deep cut for us all. Off of Between the Buttons, it's "Miss Amanda Jones".
00:40:00 Oh no. Ohhhhhhh no. Mike Siegel has decided to bust out his patented

When The Beatles put out Sgt. Pepper, the Stones decided to write their own psychedelically-tinged romp. Behold one of the worst Rolling Stones albums ever, Their Majesties Satanic Request. Mike plays "In Another Land", which has Bill Wyman on lead vocals. It's not good. It's not good AT ALL. And yet... it went gold. Damn acid-taking hippies and their money-spending ways.
The next pick for Pat is "I'm Free" off of December's Children (and Everybody's). The Stones' first #1 in the US was "Satisfaction." In the UK, it was "It's All Over Now."
Mike's next pick is off the album 12 x 5. It's a cover of the blues song "Confessin' the Blues".
00:45:00 All those 60s British rockers were inspired by the black American rockers and blues guys like Chuck Berry, Eddie Cochran, Muddy Waters, and Bo Diddley. Pat considers the Beatles a pop band, while the Stones are a proper rock band. The Beatles are considerably lighter. You can make a kids album with Beatles songs. Mike, meanwhile, play a song that probably wouldn't be featured on a kids album. It's "Mother's Little Helper" off of Aftermath. Of course the Snowman would play a song about drugs, that cheeky boy. Pat never did any drugs, nor did he hang out with people who did them. Mike didn't do anything in high school. His first time rolling up the green was in college. Pat thought he would get addicted to anything he tried. Well... Pat is addicted to something he's tried: Music and Blu-Rays. The man has a problem.
00:50:00 Case in point: Pat bought a 13-disc Todd Rundgren box set. Good god.
"Todd Rundgren doesn't own that much Todd Rundgren."
- Mike, with the line of the episode.

After Their Satanic Majesties Request, the Stones decided to get back to business with proper rock and roll and the last two Stones albums of the 60s, Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed. Pat plays the title track off the latter, "Let It Bleed". Ian Stewart is on piano. He was basically the 6th Stone, but he was an older gentleman, and had a chin that would put Jay Leno to shame. So the Stones' manager Andrew Oldham took off the stage, but they kept him in the band on the studio side for a long time.
00:55:00 Mike plays a track off of Beggars Banquet. The song is "Street Fighting Man".
Pat plays a track off of Beggars Banquet as well. The song is called "Salt of the Earth".
Richards called this next song the quintessential Jagger-Richards songs. Mike plays the live version of "Midnight Rambler" off the album 'Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out!': The Rolling Stones in Concert. Wait a minute, now. Red flag possibly called on the play. This live album was released in 1970. BUT! The song was recorded in 1969. We'll give it to you this time, Siegel, but you're on thin ice.
01:00:00 Pat goes back to Between the Buttons with his next pick "Connection". And then, in a shocking turn of events, plays a cover version of the song done by Montrose! My word.
Mike's last pick is also the Stones' last song of the 60s, and what a way to close out the decade. It's "You Can't Always Get What You Want" off of Let It Bleed.
01:05:00 In the 1960s, the Stones sold eight million albums in the US. Some Girls, which came out in 1978, sold six million alone. 70s albums sold huge, says Mike, which prompts him to bug Pat and Kyle about how many albums Peter Frampton, Fleetwood Mac, Elton John, and Led Zeppelin sold. It's a whole big barrel of numerical fun. Pat eventually manages to snap Mike out of his record-selling daze and play some music. It's "Stupid Girl" from the album Aftermath.
01:10:00 The Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus is briefly brought up. It's a concert film that features The Who, John Lennon, and Jethro Tull. (Fun fact: It is Tony Iommi's only performance with Jethro Tull and he didn't even play. He mimed along to "Song for Jeffrey.") The Stones in the 60s had quite a few studio albums due to the US/UK releases. In the 70s, when there was only one version of the albums, the Stones only put out six studio albums. But what a six: Sticky Fingers, Exile on Main St., Goats Head Soup, It's Only Rock 'n Roll, Black and Blue, and Some Girls. Mike praises the 1972 American tour.
01:15:00 We'll see Mike again with a look at the Rolling Stones in the 70s. As for the 80s? Well... we'll give that one to Murray. Pat takes us out with "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" off of Out of Our Heads.
Time Song Album Artist Who
00:05:00 Come On Big Hits (High Tide and Green Grass) The Rolling Stones Pat
00:10:00 Heart of Stone The Rolling Stones, Now! The Rolling Stones Mike
00:10:00 Tell Me (You’re Coming Back) The Rolling Stones The Rolling Stones Mike
00:10:00 The Last Time Out of Our Heads The Rolling Stones Mike
00:15:00 Let’s Spend the Night Together Between the Buttons The Rolling Stones Pat
00:20:00 Paint It Black Aftermath The Rolling Stones Mike
00:20:00 Out of Time Aftermath The Rolling Stones Pat
00:25:00 Under My Thumb Aftermath The Rolling Stones Mike
00:30:00 Get Off of My Cloud December’s Children (and Everybody’s) The Rolling Stones Pat
00:30:00 19th Nervous Breakdown Big Hits (High Tide and Green Grass) The Rolling Stones Mike
00:30:00 Play with Fire Out of Our Heads The Rolling Stones Pat
00:35:00 Everybody Needs Somebody to Love The Rolling Stones, Now! The Rolling Stones Mike
00:35:00 Miss Amanda Jones Between the Buttons The Rolling Stones Pat
00:40:00 In Another Land Their Satanic Majesties Request The Rolling Stones Mike
00:40:00 I’m Free December’s Children (and Everybody’s) The Rolling Stones Pat
00:40:00 Confessin’ the Blues 12 x 5 The Rolling Stones Mike
00:45:00 Mother’s Little Helper Aftermath The Rolling Stones Mike
00:50:00 Let It Bleed Let It Bleed The Rolling Stones Pat
00:55:00 Street Fighting Man Beggar's Banquet The Rolling Stones Mike
00:55:00 Salt of the Earth Beggar's Banquet The Rolling Stones Pat
00:55:00 Midnight Rambler Let It Bleed The Rolling Stones Mike
01:00:00 Connection Between the Buttons The Rolling Stones Pat
01:00:00 You Can’t Always Get What You Want Let It Bleed The Rolling Stones Mike
01:05:00 Stupid Girl Aftermath The Rolling Stones Pat
01:15:00 (I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction Out of Our Heads The Rolling Stones Pat

Episode 245: Electric Light Podcast



Episode 245: Electric Light Podcast
Pat and Guest Co-Host David Wild dive deep into the ELO catalogue and play their favorite Jeff Lynne compositions.
From March 24, 2016

With your host:

Pat Francis


00:00:00 Pat and David Wild welcome us to the show. It's the first time David's been back since the live Sammy Hagar episode (you know, the one that had Kyle shunned off in the corner like an unloved stepchild). David admits that he struggled to remain respectful of Pat during the episode (instead of, you know, insulting him like everybody else does). David also admits that his wife LOVES Jimmy Pardo, star of stage and screen. Pat is merely a conduit to Pardo, the main attraction. Pat and David also get into Rock and Roll Hall of Fame talk. They agree in their disappointment of Peter Cetera not showing up to the ceremony. David's met Chicago, they're a nice group of gentlemen, so he assumed it's Cetera who is an ass. But Jeff Garlin (name drop #1) says that Cetera is the nicest guy in the world.
00:05:00 Funny enough, Terry Kath's widow is married to the man behind today's topic: It's Jeff Lynne of Electric Light Orchestra. ELO will be the music on the docket, but David did bring some solo Jeff Lynne. David calls Lynne the most dominant member of a group ever: He wrote, sang, produced, and recorded everything. There's criticism that he produces too much, but David can't get enough of it.
00:10:00 There will no Wilburys, but David mentions his love Cloud Nine by George Harrison, which Lynne produced. Pat recommends Joe Walsh's Analog Man, which prompts David to remember how he saw Joe perform live with Ringo Starr on drums (who was wearing a Knack T-shirt) and Jeff Lynne on bass. Jesus. David also once went to a Christmas party at Tom Petty's house. There were about thirty people there, including Harrison and Lynne. Jeeeeeeeesus. Someone offered David drugs, but he declined. Then afterwards David realized "Fuck, I could have been a Wilbury."
00:15:00 Okay, let's kick off the music. David starts things with his favorite Jeff Lynne song, which was originally done by his band The Move, but he prefers the ELO version. It's an alternate mix of "Do Ya" from the box set Flashback.
Pat's first pick is from the same album as the normal version of "Do Ya," A New World Record. The song is "Rockaria!". Friend of David's Adam Carolla also enjoys this song, apparently.
00:20:00 David first got into ELO with the album Eldorado. He plays "Can't Get It Out of My Head". Very beautiful. David realizes that he fell in love with The Beatles through the people they inspired (ELO, The Raspberries).
The movie may have sucked eggs, but the soundtrack sure didn't. Pat plays "All Over the World" from the soundtrack to Xanadu.
00:25:00 David is wearing a laminate from the ELO show that was held a few months back at the Fonda Theatre. Ringo was there, Walsh was there, Pat's "good friend" Steve Lukather was there. It was a great show. Pat and David wonder what Kyle is thinking of these songs. He likes them. Kyle's also a little sleepy because he was cleaning up after Pardcastathon... for free. Well, when you're working for Pardo, his presence is payment enough. David lets slip that he recently interviewed Paul Simon about his new album. He predicts it will be an album of the year from Mr. Simon.
00:30:00 Pat and David gush over Paul Simon a lot, including the album Hearts and Bones. But they don't gush over Songs from The Capeman. Enough about Paul Simon, this show's about Jeff Lynne and ELO, dammit! David plays a song from the under-the-radar 2001 album Zoom. The song is called "Melting in the Sun". Pat is rediscovering Zoom.
00:35:00 David calls Lynne a "high level of studio genius" and he and Pat discuss his work with Randy Newman. They also bring up a Randy Newman album cover that has him in Kiss makeup, which just sounds incredible. Pat plays a deep cut from the album Face the Music called "Down Home Town".
The next song for David is off of the third album On the Third Day. It's "Showdown". As the song fades out, David has gone to Pat's CD collection (oh, they're recording in Francis Manor, by the way) and picked out Mick Jagger's solo album Wandering Spirit. Why? Because HE WAS THERE WITH RICK RUBIN!!!!
00:40:00 Well la-di-da, David's hung out with Rick Rubin. So have Pat and Kyle. Well, sort of. They met him at a Jerry Lewis show. Pat got a picture. It was a thing. Meanwhile Rick personally showed David the music video for Johnny Cash's "Hurt." Okay, he wins. Back when Pat was still a stand up comedian and doing morning radio, he got to go to the prize closet and get something for free. He picked Wandering Spirit, which wouldn't be released for another two weeks. David once got an advance copy of a John Mellencamp album... and promptly left it in the cab.
00:45:00 Oh, one time Jagger read something David did and liked it, so he called David up and asked him to write the liner notes for the Stones compilation Forty Licks... which was due the next day. Pat brings us back to ELO with "Turn to Stone" off the double album Out of the Blue. But forget that, David's got another CD. It's Big World by Joe Jackson, which is a live album with no audience noise. The first time David interviewed Joe Jackson, he was very rude. David had enough and called Jackson an asshole. This turned Jackson right around because he thought David was an asshole simply because he was a music writer and he's dealt with a lot of asshole music writers over the years.
00:50:00 David is just enamored with Pat's CD collection. He could probably pick out any CD at random and just tell a story about that artist. They consider a future episode about such an idea. After mulling over the idea of bringing John Oates onto the podcast, David plays a song that he considers to be the story of his love life. It's "The Diary of Horace Wimp" off the album Discovery. David thinks Lynne brings soul to the machine.
00:55:00 Pat's next pick is from the album Balance of Power (which is actually Pardo's favorite ELO album). The song is called "Heaven Only Knows". At this point, the band is pretty much down to Lynne, Richard Tandy, and Bev Bevan. Lynne and Tandy are always together, much like Petty and Mike Campbell. By the way, at Petty's Christmas party, Campbell was the only Heartbreaker invited. DAVID WILD was invited to Tom Petty's Christmas party. Meanwhile Benmont Tench was cooking up some Spaghetti-O's on a hot plate.
David plays another track from Balance of Power, "Calling America".
01:00:00 The guys turn to the new ELO album, 2015's Alone in the Universe. Pat plays "Dirty to the Bone". David's pick from the album is the title track "Alone in the Universe". David once again hones in on Pat's CDs. The man just can't keep away.
01:05:00 Pat plays a selection from Eldorado. The song is "Boy Blue". David compliments the other members of the Rock Solid, especially those of the female variety. Hubba hubba. Murray made note that he enjoys listening to ELO with his son. This reminds David of his and son's mutual love of Bowie. They both cried when they found out he died. David's just happy that Bowie liked him.
01:10:00 David talked with the director of the Grammys when Jeff Lynne was scheduled to perform; David just wanted Lynne to play "Mr. Blue Sky" off of Out of the Blue. David plays the song here. Meanwhile David is still thinking about Christy and April. Or Betty and Veronica, as he calls them. Pat wonders why Jeff Lynne rerecorded his ELO hits a few years ago. David says it's so he can keep all the licensing money. And to prove that he could do the songs better than the originals.
01:15:00 Pat's next pick off of A New World Record. It's the opening track, "Tightrope". David follows this up with another track off the album, "Livin' Thing".
01:20:00 David describes Lynne as very unpretentious. He learned all his tricks from listening to the radio. Pat and David discuss Long Wave, Jeff's album of pop standards. Pat hates standards, but he likes this. He also hates Rod Stewart doing the Great American Songbook, which David wholeheartedly agrees with. Pat then plays a song from another under-the-radar album, Time. The song is called "The Way Life's Meant to Be".
01:25:00 David does indeed play a song from Lynne's solo album Long Wave. It's a cover of the Everly Brothers' "So Sad (To Watch Good Love Go Bad)". David enjoys it because Lynne took an old song and made it not sound old. This leads to a discussion about watching old movies with young kids. They like some and don't like others. Pat then drops a bombshell on David, saying that the palace guard on the back of the Discovery album is Brad Garrett!
01:30:00 David is absolutely shocked at this revelation and he KNOWS BRAD GARRETT! My word. Pat plays "Shine a Little Love" off the album Discovery. Here is another shocking revelation that David recently went through: He recently discovered that Van Halen's "I'll Wait" was co-written by Michael McDonald!
David's last pick is another one from A New World Record. The song is "Telephone Line".
01:35:00 A New World Record is Pat and David's favorite ELO album. They also discuss a sundry of things including The Foo Fighters, Randy Newman, and Rick Springfield.
01:40:00 This has been an absolute blast, even if David spent 80% of the time ogling Pat's CD collection. You can find David on Twitter @Wildaboutmusic. We end the show, strangely enough, with a Randy Newman song that is about Electric Light Orchestra. Off the album Born Again, it's "The Story of a Rock and Roll Band".
Time Song Album Artist Who
00:15:00 Do Ya (Alternate Mix) Flashback Electric Light Orchestra David
00:15:00 Rockaria! A New World Record Electric Light Orchestra Pat
00:20:00 Can’t Get It Out of My Head Eldorado Electric Light Orchestra David
00:20:00 All Over the World Xanadu Soundtrack Electric Light Orchestra Pat
00:30:00 Melting in the Sun Zoom Electric Light Orchestra David
00:35:00 Down Home Town Face the Music Electric Light Orchestra Pat
00:35:00 Showdown On the Third Day Electric Light Orchestra David
00:45:00 Turn to Stone Out of the Blue Electric Light Orchestra Pat
00:50:00 The Diary of Horace Wimp Discovery Electric Light Orchestra David
00:55:00 Heaven Only Knows Balance of Power Electric Light Orchestra Pat
00:55:00 Calling America Balance of Power Electric Light Orchestra David
01:00:00 Dirty to the Bone Alone in the Universe Electric Light Orchestra Pat
01:00:00 Alone in the Universe Alone in the Universe Electric Light Orchestra David
01:05:00 Boy Blue Eldorado Electric Light Orchestra Pat
01:10:00 Mr. Blue Sky Out of the Blue Electric Light Orchestra David
01:15:00 Tightrope A New World Record Electric Light Orchestra Pat
01:15:00 Livin’ Thing A New World Record Electric Light Orchestra David
01:20:00 The Way Life’s Meant to Be Time Electric Light Orchestra Pat
01:25:00 So Sad (To Watch Good Love Go Bad) Long Wave Jeff Lynne David
01:30:00 Shine a Little Love Discovery Electric Light Orchestra Pat
01:30:00 Telephone Line A New World Record Electric Light Orchestra David
01:40:00 The Story of a Rock and Roll Band Born Again Randy Newman Pat